Felix Posted November 5, 2006 Report Share Posted November 5, 2006 These videos almost drove tears to my eyes. I'm glad there's actually someone on TV to announce stuff like this. Dawkins attacks religion as incompatible with reason and shows how all religions share the common trait of demanding faith which he calls the root of all evil. With stuff like that in the media, there's still hope. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1...+evil&hl=en http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=63...+evil&hl=en Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cogito Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 I just had a thought... Imagine some alien race a lot like us intercepting the TV broadcast. They would laugh their rear ends off. Then, if they're anything like us, they'd go right back to worshiping their god... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
softwareNerd Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 Thanks Felix. That was refreshing. These nutcases will lose in the long run, but not without a fight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wrath Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 Yeah, I watched this a while back. After seeing his interviews and reading his new book, Dawkins is one of my favorite living people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAmMetaphysical Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 Well, his comments about an "altruism gene" were disheartening, but he is better than most, and his view of epistemology is good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wrath Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 Dawkins doesn't mean "altruism" in the Objectivist sense. If you read his book, you'll see that. The way he defines it, it is considered altruism if you pay someone for goods, rather than just killing them and taking what you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mweiss Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 These videos almost drove tears to my eyes. I'm glad there's actually someone on TV to announce stuff like this. Dawkins attacks religion as incompatible with reason and shows how all religions share the common trait of demanding faith which he calls the root of all evil. With stuff like that in the media, there's still hope. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1...+evil&hl=en http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=63...+evil&hl=en These links seem to be unavailable today. I get this screen: We're sorry, but this video may not be available. Try refreshing the page to see this video. To see more videos visit our home page Censorship by Google perhaps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
softwareNerd Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 Censorship by Google perhaps?Extremely unlikely. Most likely those videos were posted without permission and the copyright holder sent Google a "take down" request. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prometheus Posted November 10, 2006 Report Share Posted November 10, 2006 The 3 video's are brilliant! Have you ever noticed how people like Haggard tend to use the word "somehow" so much? "The eye formed, somehow"! I had a teacher like that once (a very religious one), for each of my questions during debates on various topics, the only answer I used to get was "somehow"! Moose, which particular book are you talking about? I'd like to read it! Dinesh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wrath Posted November 10, 2006 Report Share Posted November 10, 2006 (edited) The book is The God Delusion. It's quite good. Nothing in it is particularly new, but it's nice to see all the refutations against God and religion in one handy volume. Edited November 10, 2006 by Moose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaszloWalrus Posted November 10, 2006 Report Share Posted November 10, 2006 Unfortunately, Dawkins supports the Great Ape Project: http://www.simonyi.ox.ac.uk/dawkins/WorldO..._the_mind.shtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xavier Posted November 10, 2006 Report Share Posted November 10, 2006 The book is The God Delusion. It's quite good. Nothing in it is particularly new, but it's nice to see all the refutations against God and religion in one handy volume. Atheism: The Case Against God by George Smith is a good one. From what I remember, it is consistent with Objectivism, and focuses on logic and reason, and smashes any credibility theism has. I haven't read The God Delusion, so I can't compare them. George Smith also wrote a book called Atheism, Ayn Rand, and Other Heresies. Any one know if this book is any good? http://www.amazon.com/Atheism-Case-Against...TF8&s=books http://www.amazon.com/Atheism-Ayn-Rand-Oth...TF8&s=books In any case, it's good to see a prominent scientist advocate reason, because it is so rare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAmMetaphysical Posted November 11, 2006 Report Share Posted November 11, 2006 Atheism: The Case Against God by George Smith That book was actually my first intorduction to Ayn Rand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wrath Posted November 11, 2006 Report Share Posted November 11, 2006 Atheism: The Case Against God by George Smith is a good one. From what I remember, it is consistent with Objectivism, and focuses on logic and reason, and smashes any credibility theism has. I haven't read The God Delusion, so I can't compare them. George Smith also wrote a book called Atheism, Ayn Rand, and Other Heresies. Any one know if this book is any good? http://www.amazon.com/Atheism-Case-Against...TF8&s=books http://www.amazon.com/Atheism-Ayn-Rand-Oth...TF8&s=books In any case, it's good to see a prominent scientist advocate reason, because it is so rare. The first book you mentioned is actually on my to-read list...just haven't gotten around to it yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mweiss Posted November 11, 2006 Report Share Posted November 11, 2006 Atheism: The Case Against God by George Smith is a good one. From what I remember, it is consistent with Objectivism, and focuses on logic and reason, and smashes any credibility theism has. I haven't read The God Delusion, so I can't compare them. George Smith also wrote a book called Atheism, Ayn Rand, and Other Heresies. Any one know if this book is any good? http://www.amazon.com/Atheism-Case-Against...TF8&s=books http://www.amazon.com/Atheism-Ayn-Rand-Oth...TF8&s=books In any case, it's good to see a prominent scientist advocate reason, because it is so rare. I love this quote from a reader comment on the second book you listed: "Atheists are not simply deluded, but are instruments of the devil. " Here's his entire review: http://www.amazon.com/gp/discussionboard/d...pe=ReviewDetail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Passion of the Koresh Posted November 25, 2006 Report Share Posted November 25, 2006 I would consider (especially Abrahamic) religion a far, far graver threat than socialism, today and for all time. Socialism causes severe loss of property, attempts to ruin self-esteem systematically, greatly diminishes the quality of life for individuals, stifles dissent and rationality, and kills on a genocidal scale, but I still think religion has it beat for the damage it can potentially--and routinely does--cause. Socialists see humanity as a blob of sentient cells (human beings) that all somehow belong to each other. Religion sees humanity as a temporary condition before an infinitely better (or infinitely worse) state of existence in the afterlife. Socialism threatens, at worst, an extinction resulting from a nuclear war. Religion, with all its hunger for a day of reckoning and apocalypse, with so many of its followers more willing to die and bring everyone else down with them than admit error or lose faith/face, with its callous disdain for actual reality and its feverishly-maintained afterlife delusion, puts human extinction far, far higher on its agenda than many of us would like to think. Which poison would you pick? Would you rather have an idiot rule over you (temporarily, for as long as the system can last) who needs you for your slave labor, or a complete lunatic (and an idiot) who thinks that killing you might actually do you or your loved ones a favor!? Do you any of you feel sick at the idea of someone looking forward to "end times" in a position of great power? I think Dawkins has taken on an extremely dangerous enemy. I wouldn't feel the slightest bit of surprise to learn that some religious fanatic (redundant) murdered him. I imagine many of his most vociferous opponents will shed plenty of crocodile tears for the media, hoping he "found peace" as they denounce the "fringe" element of the very stupidity they promote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eurynomus Posted November 25, 2006 Report Share Posted November 25, 2006 Which poison would you pick? This is what I don't understand, and the same goes for Peikoff's analysis on voting for democrats over republicans -- although I have not had time to listen to the DIM Hypothesis lectures, so if the reasoning to this is included, would somebody please clue me in? Why do we have to pick either poison? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Passion of the Koresh Posted November 26, 2006 Report Share Posted November 26, 2006 (edited) Why do we have to pick either poison? The use of force, initiated by others, prompts us to cut our losses first before we figure out how to make things right. Edited November 26, 2006 by The Passion of the Koresh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty McFly Posted November 29, 2006 Report Share Posted November 29, 2006 These videos almost drove tears to my eyes. I'm glad there's actually someone on TV to announce stuff like this. Dawkins attacks religion as incompatible with reason and shows how all religions share the common trait of demanding faith which he calls the root of all evil. With stuff like that in the media, there's still hope. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1...+evil&hl=en http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=63...+evil&hl=en The link doesn't work and I really wanted to see it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Uber Alles Posted November 29, 2006 Report Share Posted November 29, 2006 Working link as of 11/29 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6169720917221820689 If it breaks, do a search on google videos for "The God Delusion" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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