pvtmorriscsa Posted May 23, 2004 Report Share Posted May 23, 2004 Howdy All, I used to argue that America was the greatest country in the world, if for no other reason than that we have the fattest poor people in the world. Well I guess the UN has determined that the newest world health problem is obesity. Check out this story. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor.../health_diet_dc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AutoJC Posted May 25, 2004 Report Share Posted May 25, 2004 Howdy All, I used to argue that America was the greatest country in the world, if for no other reason than that we have the fattest poor people in the world. Well I guess the UN has determined that the newest world health problem is obesity. Check out this story. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor.../health_diet_dc Michael Moore would resent you saying that. He's fat and rich! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pvtmorriscsa Posted May 25, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2004 Well, Mr. Moore had best be ware, lest he runs into me in a dark alley. He is perhaps the leading collectivist Toohey at the moment. Moore is the poster boy for the anti-America, anti-freedom, wackos that seem to be gaining ground in our country. It takes all my rationality, and all my restraint to not want to put a bullet in his ass. Not that I ever would, but it is fun to daydream about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betsy Posted May 25, 2004 Report Share Posted May 25, 2004 Well, Mr. Moore had best be ware, lest he runs into me in a dark alley. He is perhaps the leading collectivist Toohey at the moment. Moore is the poster boy for the anti-America, anti-freedom, wackos that seem to be gaining ground in our country. No way! They may cheer him in France, but that's France. In this country, even in Far-Left Hollywood, when he went on a rant at the Oscars, he got BOOED. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AutoJC Posted May 26, 2004 Report Share Posted May 26, 2004 It takes all my rationality, and all my restraint to not want to put a bullet in his ass. Not that I ever would, but it is fun to daydream about. Mr. Moore seems to be doing a fine job shooting himself in the foot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AutoJC Posted May 26, 2004 Report Share Posted May 26, 2004 Howdy All, I used to argue that America was the greatest country in the world, if for no other reason than that we have the fattest poor people in the world. Well I guess the UN has determined that the newest world health problem is obesity. Check out this story. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor.../health_diet_dc I for one find it baffling that the UN would consider that, with all that has been published about the dangers of obesity, that it would take it upon itself to fund a study regarding this as a world health threat. It seems that organizations like the UN consider us all to be idiots in dire need of being forced to conform to an ideology that dictates how much we have to weigh, and in what manner it is we should conduct our health, such as not to be a burden upon the rest of the world. Those of us with self-respect are going to take good care of ouselves for our own best interests. Those who choose to be obese (and I am of the opinion that this is the case) must take full responsibility for their owm actions, and not expect to be taken care of by others. Unless, of course, they are willing to pay the price on their own for such care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshRyan Posted May 30, 2004 Report Share Posted May 30, 2004 [Mr. Moore] is perhaps the leading collectivist Toohey at the moment. Moore is the poster boy for the anti-America, anti-freedom, wackos that seem to be gaining ground in our country... Sorry, but I'd have to disagree with that. That (dis)honor would have to fall to someone like Chomsky. Moore is just a non-intellectual, blue-collar version of Chomsky. Compared to the intellectual leaders like Chomsky, Moore is just a punk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshRyan Posted May 30, 2004 Report Share Posted May 30, 2004 No way! They may cheer him in France, but that's France. In this country, even in Far-Left Hollywood, when he went on a rant at the Oscars, he got BOOED. Don't understimate Moore's popularity and influence, even here in America. I know as many people who love him as hate him (and the people who hate him generally do so only for some particular concrete-bound reason, e.g., they are pro-gun). His books are always best sellers, and his so-called "documentaries" win more awards and draw bigger audiences than any real documentaries out there. When he was booed at the Oscars, it wasn't for the content of his rant, but rather because most of the people just thought it wasn't appropriate to use an Oscar acceptance speech as a political soap-box. Remember that he won the Oscar, that his peers selected him to win it for a movie full of the same kind of crap that he said in his acceptance speech. It's sad, but true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsalt Posted May 31, 2004 Report Share Posted May 31, 2004 The obesity canard is just one more attack on America, and one more demonstration of the actual aim of the UN, which is to take over every last aspect of life on this earth. They are powerlusters. They go after the US because we produce their support, but we are an unruly bunch who might just withdraw that support at any time. If you would understand what is the true goal of this latest power-grab, ask yourself what other country has a "problem" with obesity? On what premise is our "problem" conceived of as a drain on the rest of the world? These are the same people who say that the US is the biggest threat to world peace of any country in the world. What must be their premise to believe this? These are the same people who blame Israel for all of the problems in the Middle East, who believe Israel runs the US government, and who call Israel a racist Aparthied state. What is the premise that leads them to draw such a conclusion? What the elitest bureaucrats and despots of the UN seek is power over America. No other country is worth going after. It's hard not to laugh at their machinations, they're so bloody obvious. Reading about the UN, or the EU for that matter, is like reading about Wesley Mouch, and all the rest of that bunch. But the evil is real and the danger is real. We should not dismiss either one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betsy Posted May 31, 2004 Report Share Posted May 31, 2004 Don't understimate Moore's popularity and influence, even here in America. I know as many people who love him as hate him (and the people who hate him generally do so only for some particular concrete-bound reason, e.g., they are pro-gun). His books are always best sellers, and his so-called "documentaries" win more awards and draw bigger audiences than any real documentaries out there. Moore is very popular with a small minority of the American people. That you know as many people who love him as hate him is probably due to the fact that you are still in school and your contacts are other students and faculty. Out there in the real world, most people want truth and accuracy, are pro-American and mostly conservative, and they regard Michael Moore as a disgusting, lying, slob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshRyan Posted June 13, 2004 Report Share Posted June 13, 2004 Moore is very popular with a small minority of the American people. That you know as many people who love him as hate him is probably due to the fact that you are still in school and your contacts are other students and faculty. Out there in the real world, most people want truth and accuracy, are pro-American and mostly conservative, and they regard Michael Moore as a disgusting, lying, slob. What, do all the students who embrace that crap in college have an epiphany upon graduation and stop believing it when they get out into "the real world?" You're right that most of the people I know who are Moore sympathizers probably are college students, but I also know many who aren't, and I live in one of the most conservative states in the country! I agree with you that more people, and probably a majority, outside of the academic world probably dislike Moore--but there are also many who do like him. As I mentioned before, his books always top the best-seller charts. Is it just that the people who don't like Michael Moore don't buy books? But as I said before, it's not the Moores of the world that I'm most worried about. It's their masters, the Chomskys (who have also achieved a disturbing amount of popular and professional success, by the way). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betsy Posted June 13, 2004 Report Share Posted June 13, 2004 But as I said before, it's not the Moores of the world that I'm most worried about. It's their masters, the Chomskys (who have also achieved a disturbing amount of popular and professional success, by the way). But only by default. They have had no real opposition ... until now. That is changing and they had better watch out. The Objectivists are coming and one of us is all it takes to overcome a thousand of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshRyan Posted June 13, 2004 Report Share Posted June 13, 2004 But only by default. They have had no real opposition ... until now. That is changing and they had better watch out. The Objectivists are coming and one of us is all it takes to overcome a thousand of them. Good points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AraqirG Posted June 14, 2004 Report Share Posted June 14, 2004 From the article http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor.../health_diet_dc These chronic diseases account for nearly 60 percent of the 56.5 million deaths a year around the world that are deemed preventable... According to the World Heart Federation, 1.1 billion adults and 22 million children under age five are obese I don't think this is a problem the WHO should be worrying about. Whem 840 million people are persistantly malnurished and 40,000 children die every day from preventable disease or malnutrition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Weiss Posted June 14, 2004 Report Share Posted June 14, 2004 I agree with you that more people, and probably a majority, outside of the academic world probably dislike Moore--but there are also many who do like him. As I mentioned before, his books always top the best-seller charts. Is it just that the people who don't like Michael Moore don't buy books? But as I said before, it's not the Moores of the world that I'm most worried about. It's their masters, the Chomskys (who have also achieved a disturbing amount of popular and professional success, by the way). I think you overrate Chomsky's influence - except on the very radical left, whose influence is dwindling in this country. To give you some perspective, in my college days the left brought out a steady stream of books with some intellectual substance and which carried a great deal of weight (and had significant influence) - books like Silent Spring, Michael Harrington's books on poverty, John Galbraith's books, etc. Today it's mostly trashy polemics, like Michael Moore or Al Franken. The left is truly intellectually bankrupt and I wonder if even at some level they realize it themselves and sense the extent to which they are adrift. I believe they may even acknowledge it among themselves. (The death of communism was the coup de grace). It's a huge vacuum waiting to be filled. So you young people with an interest in joining the intellectual fray have a wide open field in front of you - and I believe you will be surprised at the rather pathetic opposition you will experience. Those of us who participate on hpo experience this virtually every day. Consider the fact that a number of us, all non-academics, are decently able to take on even the academics who descend on hpo to pick on Objectivists. I think Betsy, Don, David, etc. will agree with me. Fred Weiss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidOdden Posted June 14, 2004 Report Share Posted June 14, 2004 I think you overrate Chomsky's influence - except on the very radical left, whose influence is dwindling in this country. A few weeks ago, I mentioned one of Chomsky's professional writings in an undergraduate class, and one guy blurted out "Chomsky?! What a wanker!". That brought the house down. His professional influence, while not universal, is still extremely strong in his particular sub-domain. However, it will not last much longer. Those of us who participate on hpo experience this virtually every day. Consider the fact that a number of us, all non-academics, are decently able to take on even the academics who descend on hpo to pick on Objectivists. I think Betsy, Don, David, etc. will agree with me. Ahem. Well, I agree that their arguments, if one wants to call them that, are shockingly hollow, and would be easy to answer if you were dealing with a somewhat rational and intellectually honest person. Which you aren't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betsy Posted June 14, 2004 Report Share Posted June 14, 2004 Those of us who participate on hpo experience this virtually every day. Consider the fact that a number of us, all non-academics, are decently able to take on even the academics who descend on hpo to pick on Objectivists. I think Betsy, Don, David, etc. will agree with me. Oh yes! In addition to the contentless but hysterical diatribes of the anti-Objectivists, I take heart in the growing number of Objectivist wannabes. These are people who want to be associated with, or cash in on, the growing demand for Objectivism and the inability of the current academic establishment to supply it. Many intellectual parasites are seeking recognition and/or money for their stupid and irrelevant projects and activities by sticking "Ayn Rand" or "Objectivist" or "Atlas" on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsalt Posted June 16, 2004 Report Share Posted June 16, 2004 The left has no arguments left. They parrot the same lame platitudes, bromides, and jingos I've been hearing for over 30 years. They are filled with hatred and disdain for everyone, even their own. For instance, when one gentleman in an audience listening to Howard Dean commented that the rhetoric was too heated, insulting, "unneighborly," and was turning people away, Dean told him to shut-up and sit down! Hatred and yelling are all these people have left, the end product of their touchy-feely, love everyone, and follow your heart philosophy. Chomsky won't help them now. Fighting such people is the equivalent of putting your fist into a bowl of oatmeal, there's just nothing there to push against. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betsy Posted June 17, 2004 Report Share Posted June 17, 2004 Fighting [Leftists] is the equivalent of putting your fist into a bowl of oatmeal, there's just nothing there to push against. I think it's more like trying to nail jelly to a tree -- and jelly that got moldy years ago at that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yes Posted June 17, 2004 Report Share Posted June 17, 2004 The left is finished. No one who respects individual and property rights wants to have anything to do with them. Socialism and communism continue to collapse the world over. The UN is powerless to stop this, and if America had any guts, they would evict the UN from America and withdraw their support completely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott_Connery Posted June 17, 2004 Report Share Posted June 17, 2004 All of you are much more optimistic than I. I agree the left is intellectually bankrupt, but that doesn't seem to bother many people. I see the world going lefter and lefter every day, and violent oppostion to anything we would recognize as capitalism. Bush is in many important respects the left most president we have ever had, and yet his oppostion strives to be even farther to the left. And this is in what is probably the most capitalist nation on earth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betsy Posted June 17, 2004 Report Share Posted June 17, 2004 All of you are much more optimistic than I. I agree the left is intellectually bankrupt, but that doesn't seem to bother many people. I see the world going lefter and lefter every day, and violent oppostion to anything we would recognize as capitalism. That's just inertia. The Old Left is dying out and the New Left is so anti-intellectual that they can't stop us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckles Posted June 20, 2004 Report Share Posted June 20, 2004 Bush is in many important respects the left most president we have ever had, and yet his oppostion strives to be even farther to the left. And this is in what is probably the most capitalist nation on earth. I fail to concur how Mr. Bush's opposition (the democrats I assume you mean) could be anymore leftist than Mr. Bush has been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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