BiboLan Posted June 18, 2007 Report Share Posted June 18, 2007 I want to start the mission which John Galt accomplished in Atlas Shugged. Anyone interested? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidmsc Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 I think most of us would like to do that - but do you have any specific ideas for doing it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterrose Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 I want to start the mission which John Galt accomplished in Atlas Shugged. Anyone interested?Sure, why not. ...how serious are you about this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiboLan Posted June 20, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 (edited) Boy it took awhile for some replies. The outline is really in the novel, the difference would be 1) It does have to be in America, it needs to be a place where it can be declared a separate country, most likely an island or a place in Africa. 2) Instead of letting the world collapse, the new country would be an example of how great a pure capitalist country would be, and the rest of the world can choose to follow or not. 3) Before all this, there needs to be a group of people developing most of the laws for the new country. Because it is so inefficient to transform America into what it could have been. I have never been more serious in my life. *Edit* I should point out that the two problems are 1) money and 2) If the world would allow a new country to be established. My solutions are 1) make enough money and 2) fight. Edited June 20, 2007 by BiboLan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenure Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 America is an example of how great a capitalist country can be. I wouldn't say its sunk into the morass that AS's America did. Rand was writing at a time when America was headed out of that way, but those controls and ideas are dying everyday, as people realise the effect their having on their lives. Something needs to be done, but I'm quite optimistic actually, that the logical conclusion is that Socialism and its ilk will die out: at least because I'm confident enough in the work that we can do to lay the foundations for Rationalism to be accepted into the social sphere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cavalier0509 Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 at least because I'm confident enough in the work that we can do to lay the foundations for Rationalism to be accepted into the social sphere. Bold mine Err... I think you mean reason and rationality rather than rationalism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenure Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiboLan Posted June 20, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 but those controls and ideas are dying everyday, as people realise the effect their having on their lives. I don't know where you live, but to me people DO NOT seems to realize, and they DO NOT seems to care. I am sure progress are made in the US, as ARI said more and more people are reading Ayn Rand's books. However, is it better to slowly looking and reaching out to people, OR make a new country, to stand out, and have people look and reach out to the prosperity the new country will have. Imagine one day on the news, "A NEW COUNTRY HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED BASED ON THE PHILOSOPHY OF AYN RAND" How appealing would that be as oppose to "Read a 1000 page novel and have a chance to win a couple thousands of dollars." Bottom line, to start a new country will be more efficient, it can be done in our lifetime. ALSO, would you rather die thinking, oh, I donated a million dollars to ARI, now I can rest in peace. OR I died fighting in a war with China because China would not allow the establishment of the first free country in the world. OR I fought for TRUE freedom, and we won, now I can rest in peace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
softwareNerd Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 BiboLan, When I read your first post about doing what Galt diud, I thought you were referring to the way he spread his philosophy to key businesspeople and to folks like composer Hadley. I see now that you're talking about setting up a small country somewhere. You might find some previous threads of interest: this one, this one, this one, this one, this one and this one. I haven;t looked into them recently; maybe some can be merged into a single topic: but the links should give you something to chew on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-Mac Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 I don't know where you live, but to me people DO NOT seems to realize, and they DO NOT seems to care. Unfortunately, I would have to agree. It seems that more and more, people are too busy in their own little worlds to take the time to find out what's really going on and how its affecting them. Most of the friends and family that I'm in daily or weekly contact with, are either Christian conservatives blinded by faith and their church, liberals (socialists in denial), or are stuck somewhere in between because they don't really pay too much attention to current events or politics and how it could possibly affect their little world. Frankly, it's why I joined this forum. I know there are still some people out there with a shred of common sense and I was struggling to find them. Since I just finished reading AS late last month, this topic is VERY fresh on my mind. By the time I finished the book, I was literally dreaming of escaping away to a Galt's Gulch type of place. I like to think I would jump at the chance to go, but my concern is monetary. Dagny, Hank, Francisco and the rest had quite a bit more disposable income than I have. And I love my job and my boss. Maybe I could talk him into coming as well? He is, after all, the one who referred me to Ayn Rand and AS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiboLan Posted June 20, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 Thank you very much softwardNerd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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