The heavily western supported fundamentalist Islamic shahs were then put into power.
Well, all I can say is that for thousands of years it has sucked to have to deal with the Iranian government, and at this point I am willing to bet that it will suck seriously for another 4 years. There is a rational minority in Iran, but the majority is basically irrational. It was at least apparently short-sighted to support Reza Pahlavi who BTW was Shah years before Mossadeq became PM. I dispute your implication that Pahlavi was “fundamentalist” and you can’t use a plural to refer to a single person. Nevertheless, it was right to support a more rational choice, even though it was not the ideal (mythical) choice. The real take-home point is that Iran is an existence-proof of the stupidity of democracy a.k.a. mob rule in a predominantly irrational society. However: it is better to be in a predominantly irrational society than to be in a fundamentally irrational society. Maybe in the next 20 years they can make the transition to a mere “mostly irrational society”, and ultimately they can break free.
Thanks David for your informative replies. Linguistically and intellectually you maybe a little out of my league. However that is why I am here to debate and learn from people such as yourself. My education consists of barely completing HS so i apologize in advance for poor grammar.
On a more relevant note, It seems you know a great deal about Iran, would you mind sharing your sources Id really like to learn more?
FieldMarshal - Perhaps it is best spoken by the Dark Knight himself - “If you’re going to point a gun, point it at the people responsible.”
If a war is indeed necessary, there is no sense in murdering innocents. If the hateful son-of-a-bitches (pardon my language, but they deserve it) Ahmadinejad or bin Laden wish to kill us, only them and the others who also wish to kill us should be punished.
As an example- if a man attempts to blow up a marketplace, (hope such a thing never happens), his neighbors, who do not share his hatred, should not share punishment.
Just my views and some words of wisdom from the Caped Crusader. B)
On the topic of anarchy - since there will always be violence and theft, governments and rules are necessary to prevent as much harm as possible, and to provide people with differing views a way to make descisions.
We can never eradicate ourselves of evil, so we, the people, deem government and a set of rules as necessary to constantly fight it, protect us, and keep evil at bay.
Imagine what damage the Unabomer could have achieved with no force able to stop him. Anarchy = Joker.
DavidOdden - Only when the results of the election become known will we see what the people of Iran desire most - peace and progress or hatred and denial. I hope for the former.
FieldMarshal - Perhaps it is best spoken by the Dark Knight himself - “If you’re going to point a gun, point it at the people responsible.”
If a war is indeed necessary, there is no sense in murdering innocents. If the hateful son-of-a-bitches (pardon my language, but they deserve it) Ahmadinejad or bin Laden wish to kill us, only them and the others who also wish to kill us should be punished.
And yet, there they are, still unpunished. Go ahead, punish them already, back up your words with action, or stop moralizing.
Jake - If it were in my power to punish them, I certainly would. Currently, my words are the only means of fighting them that I have, with all the effectiveness of chopping down a tree with dental floss.
DavidOdden - Only when the results of the election become known will we see what the people of Iran desire most - peace and progress or hatred and denial. I hope for the former.
Assuming of course that the outcome of the election actually represents the people’s will as opposed to being manipulated by a smaller subset of the people.
Jake - If it were in my power to punish them, I certainly would. Currently, my words are the only means of fighting them that I have, with all the effectiveness of chopping down a tree with dental floss.
Yes, that is my point: your morality is far removed from reality.
You preach that Bin Laden and Ahmadinejad should be punished, and no one else should be harmed. That is impossible, so your moral principles, against Al Qaeda, have “all the effectiveness of chopping down a tree with dental floss”.
Rational Biker - The results that I refer to include the current riot in Tehran, protesting the botched and stolen election. The results do not need to be exclusively what Ahmadinejad says (read - lies about).
Jake Ellison - I did not say that only bin Laden and Ahmadinejad should be punished, but their followers as well. However, any innocents who do not share their terrorist worldview should not recieve punishment.