Crisis In Our Schools

I am focusing on what we have in common as a starting point.

Tough to know how to proceed with someone like that. You obviously have very fundamental ethical and political differences, and you’re basically asking how you can lightly chisel away at her viewpoint. I don’t think it can be done without addressing differences that you have on justice; but, you could possibly chip away there.

Consider one idea: everyone must have an equal education, even if they cannot afford it. (In other words, just because the rich kid can have all sorts of spending in school, the government should provide that to poor kids too).

Now, consider a second idea: everyone must have a basic education, even if they cannot afford it. Fact is, the U.S. government has over-spent and cannot afford the money it spends on school and healthcare and all sort of other things. What would the government do if it had less money? Well, whatever it is, it should start doing that now.)

Do you think you can take your friend from the first idea to the second?

…addressing differences that you have on justice; but, you could possibly chip away there.

Do you think you can take your friend from the first idea to the second?

One avenue might be her dislike for the kind of thievery that she can acknowledge as unjustified… We share a friend who’s laptop was stolen, it had two years of his screenwriting work on it, music, photographs… If empathy for the one being stolen from can be expanded in the consciousness it might help.

I remember being shown films that were pathetic excuses for social programming when i was in grade school, there is a lot of room for improvement there. Perhaps I can work toward a video that illustrates the various effects thievery has on victim and perpetrator; the psychological implications involved. If the majority can gain a greater understanding of thievery in general they will have a stronger premise to understand what they are doing to the people they take taxes from.

Thieves let themselves get away with what they do by dehumanizing the victim and not thinking about it much, focusing on the ‘prize’.

Consider one idea: everyone must have an equal education, even if they cannot afford it. (In other words, just because the rich kid can have all sorts of spending in school, the government should provide that to poor kids too).

If kids come to understand that school is an investment rather than a charity, they might have a greater desire to repay the loan. If the money a school receives is in proportion to their performance they will see from the beginning how effort yields reward. You would think there would be capitalists who would have a self-interest in harnessing the power of any young mind.

Now, consider a second idea: everyone must have a basic education, even if they cannot afford it. Fact is, the U.S. government has over-spent and cannot afford the money it spends on school and healthcare and all sort of other things. What would the government do if it had less money? Well, whatever it is, it should start doing that now.)

I should ask my friend what she will do if the economy continues to go down. Clamoring for more money from the government isn’t going to help if there isn’t any. If she can find private funding for her school it will be a healthy step toward privatization. I wonder about the jobs the students in her school will move into. Wouldn’t those employers have an interest in investing in the education of future employees?

There is a transition children make out of the helplessness of infancy. I see it with my two year old son. He is very emotionally driven. There are things he can do, yet he pretends he cant because its easier if I do it for him. I think of it as my job as his parent to not let him get away with that, but I try to guide him without igniting his indignant resistance. His irrational behavior and limited communication ability is frustrating for both of us. The greater his ability to reason becomes the easier it gets to promote his self sufficiency.

A similar approach can be useful toward people who don’t get Objectivism. It’s a process of understanding levels of ability in communication, self-esteem, and rationality leading to self sufficiency.

I should ask my friend what she will do if the economy continues to go down. Clamoring for more money from the government isn’t going to help if there isn’t any.

California is almost certain to see worse times. Anyhow, the money comes from Californians, and when the economy goes down and 16% are out of work, government needs to at least cut down by that much. If teachers like her were to take a 20% pay and benefit cut, that would solve the need to lay some of them off. That way, they would be on parity with the economy at large, and then kids will have all the services she wishes for them! :stuck_out_tongue:

My friend stopped responding to the thread. I thought I would give her some time to reflect. I just sent a message asking if her school could raise money from the private sector.

I want to think of all of the influences involved in public school. Where reason can begin to infiltrate the system. The teachers in public schools seem to think differently than the teachers in private schools. I wonder if anyone in private schools would be interested in influencing teacher training. Public school teachers could come to understand the basic difference in the psychology of a child who grows up to become a Doctor or innovator vs. one who works at McDonald’s for 20 years.

The more I come to understand Objectivism the clearer problems become in my mind.

I noticed that Amy and her other teacher friends tend to overwhelm themselves with problems like the entire state of California in order to avoid looking at what they can do in their own school. An aggrandized sense of helplessness. Taking for granted the careless ‘powers that be’ as the only solution to their problems. This is a tricky issue to work around. I’m trying to focus on the most basic aspect, the foundation to build upon. Self-esteem, self-respect, self-empowerment. Is the extent of their vision of self-empowerment holding a picket sign, and complaining to their friends on facebook?

There are things that I love about Amy which keep me interested in trying to communicate with her. She is an emotion based person, if I want her to hear me, I cant let her forget about the things she loves about me. I believe in her rational capacity, I believe in her desire to make the situation better.

I just found Reason TV! I would love to visit this school in Oakland to get some inspiration and information about raising my own kid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mvzh82EpWBU

Here is a bit of continuation on my dialogue with Amy;

Tym: Hey Amy, I wonder if you could visit this school in Oakland and see if they can offer some info and ideas that will help your school.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mvzh82EpWBU

March 17 at 10:30pm

Amy: I don’t have the time or energy to look at this whole clip right now…from what little of it I did see, it seems to be about charter schools which I strongly oppose…I can explain why later…thanks for trying to help though

March 18 at 7:12pm

Tym: I would like to understand. Maybe there are good things to learn from other schools even if you oppose some aspects of them.

March 27 at 12:00pm

The crisis in education is not a matter of teacher pay or hiring and firing. The crisis in education is that the children do not get an education. They do not get an education because their teachers are for the most part very poorly educated, and do not bother to educate the children in their classes.

Here we have all the moaning and groaning and desperation to find funding, and mobilize the “powers that be,” and hit up the parents, etc. in order to do what? Save the Cantonese bi-lingual program?

We are undergoing a situation that is so ugly and degraded that it cannot be acknowledged. A conscientious parent would not send their child to school Monday morning if they realized the truth, and how would the world go on in that case?

I have nothing but scorn for teachers who ignore the schools’ failure to educate, and indulge in complaining about funding. Monsters.

Mindy