Note that I’m not saying Bush will carry it to its extreme.
So.. your argument relies on an “if” that you don’t think will happen?
I’m saying that Bush will push us down a road on which we do not want to travel.
Are you warning us that Bush’s road isn’t great? We know that. I’m getting the impression that you are unwilling to consider that Kerry’s road is far worse.
Kerry, so far as I can tell, has no agenda other than power lust.
…A road that paves over our rights, our values, and our country’s sovereignty… …I can hardly wait…
Kerry, so far as I can tell, has no agenda other than power lust. (And I find it hard to believe that his recent religious appeals are anything more than attempts to steal some of Bush’s votes.)
I don’t think Kerry is a normal power luster. I think he is something worse: a second-hander. Whatever power he does seek, he seeks with the approval of the UN and France. I think that make’s Kerry more dangerous than any normal politician seeking the power of office because its hands us directly over to the socialists, the terrorists and the dictators.
So.. your argument relies on an “if” that you don’t think will happen?
Are you warning us that Bush’s road isn’t great? We know that. I’m getting the impression that you are unwilling to consider that Kerry’s road is far worse.
…A road that paves over our rights, our values, and our country’s sovereignty… …I can hardly wait…
We are already on Kerry’s road, that of socialism. Under Kerry, we might get more socialistic, but the country would not make any fundamental changes. Bush is taking us down a NEW road to theocracy. Not only is this a never-before-seen threat in America, but it is far more dangerous than socialism, in my opinion.
One should vote for Kerry to speed up the decline of America. The lights will be out sooner in New York if people like Kerry are in office, that is the most valid reason to vote for Kerry.
We are already on Kerry’s road, that of socialism. Under Kerry, we might get more socialistic, but the country would not make any fundamental changes. Bush is taking us down a NEW road to theocracy. Not only is this a never-before-seen threat in America, but it is far more dangerous than socialism, in my opinion.
Bush’s road is four years OLD and I haven’t noticed progress towards a theocracy. Kerry’s road is Kerry’s road and we have not been down it yet, but he is in a great position to do critical damage at a critical time in our nation’s history. Bush’s threat is long term, Kerry’s threat starts if he gets elected November second (knock on wood). Christianity is nothing new, terrorists with nuclear weapons are; for now I’m worried about the later.
We are already on Kerry’s road, that of socialism. Under Kerry, we might get more socialistic, but the country would not make any fundamental changes. Bush is taking us down a NEW road to theocracy. Not only is this a never-before-seen threat in America, but it is far more dangerous than socialism, in my opinion.
It’s not new.
Reagan injected religion into the works in 1980. He’s the one who propped up the so called moral majority, and pushed the abortion issue. This is something Ayn Rand was very concerned with, and was the reason she didn’t vote for Reagan.
Bush is more focused down that road than Reagan was, but the way was paved by Reagan.
Again, note, there are counter forces out there. That principle is not the only one with influence.
I don’t know why you say religion is far more dangerous than socialism. Under communism men like Stalin did a pretty good job of murdering and enslaving people on a vast scale. That competes well with religion on the badness scale.
I don’t think things will get that bad, however. There are far too many good ideas out there, especially with the influence of Ayn Rand on the rise. Did anyone note how I mentioned Scott Rolen’s favorite book is The Fountainhead? Rolen is an avid reader and a pro baseball player. If the ideas have been injected into the culture that deeply, we’re in pretty good shape.
Very much so! We need a clean slate, the lights of LA would do, maybe even DC. The looters need their life lines CUT, that is why.
-Nate
This is not Atlas Shrugged. No good will come from the lights going out if John Galt isn’t ready to make his speech. It is not your place to turn the lights out anyways… you wouldn’t be able to turn them back on. For you to ‘encourage the lights to go out’ is quite immoral.
That being said, if we did have it on some authority that there was some equivalent to Galt’s Gulch, and that hundreds of great men were ready to rebuild this country after we destroyed the present system, and it wouldn’t be risking a nuclear attack from terrorists or some communist country… voting for Kerry would be the perfect thing to do.
But for now I don’t think there is a Galt’s Gulch because I haven’t been invited.
Bush directly promotes theocratic POLICIES and JUDGES; Kerry, whatever he CLAIMS to believe, would not. Note that the president is not the country’s intellectual leader. Objectivists, so far as I know, are not against Bush because they think he will convert more of the country to Christianity. We are against him because of his consistently religious agenda which, if carried to its logical extreme, would result in theocracy.
But it wouldn’t be carried to its logical extreme and it isn’t even by Bush. That’s the difference between a modern American Christian and a third-world medieval mystic like Osama Bin Ladin.
Kerry, so far as I can tell, has no agenda other than power lust. (And I find it hard to believe that his recent religious appeals are anything more than attempts to steal some of Bush’s votes.)
Kerry has a long and well-documented history of having a Marxist, anti-American, anti-Western Civilization agenda which, if carried to its logical extreme, would result in an America like that at the end of Atlas Shrugged.
One should vote for Kerry to speed up the decline of America. The lights will be out sooner in New York if people like Kerry are in office, that is the most valid reason to vote for Kerry.
That pretty much says it all. If you want to destroy America as quickly as possible, Kerry is your man.
This is what I don’t understand. Communism/Socialism ala Kerry is what is portrayed is AS as the main threat to civilization. Not Theocracy. If you people think America is more religeous now than 50 years ago you are wrong.
This is not Atlas Shrugged. No good will come from the lights going out if John Galt isn’t ready to make his speech. It is not your place to turn the lights out anyways… you wouldn’t be able to turn them back on. For you to ‘encourage the lights to go out’ is quite immoral.
That being said, if we did have it on some authority that there was some equivalent to Galt’s Gulch, and that hundreds of great men were ready to rebuild this country after we destroyed the present system, and it wouldn’t be risking a nuclear attack from terrorists or some communist country… voting for Kerry would be the perfect thing to do.
But for now I don’t think there is a Galt’s Gulch because I haven’t been invited.
I will be fine if the lights in every major city in the US went out, but the looters will not, that is GOOD and moral. That said, Bush won, so we can add a few more years onto the electrical supply of NYC.
I will be fine if the lights in every major city in the US went out, but the looters will not, that is GOOD and moral. That said, Bush won, so we can add a few more years onto the electrical supply of NYC.
Judging by your post in “Objectivists Rides” thread I believe you that you would be quite capable of surviving. If the world ever does go down the tubes get in touch with me, I will also be surviving. Bush did win though, so good times.
