Why People Don't Accept Objectivism

Actually, concepts don’t subdivide; my process of thought subdivides to create new, lower-order concepts (which are structural constituents of the original).

Starting from the base of conceptual development—from the concepts that identify perceptual concretes—the process of cognition moves in two interacting directions: toward more extensive and more intensive knowledge, toward wider integrations and more precise differentiations. Following the process and in accordance with cognitive evidence, earlier-formed concepts are integrated into wider ones or subdivided into narrower ones.

Our abstractions vary in the degree relative to the perceptual level. In that sense, a first level abstraction (lowest order, if you will) is validated by the percept, or perceptual level data.

As second level abstraction, in the case of animal, is brought about by integrating dog, cat, man, as against tree.

To further move another level of abstraction more removed, would be to take animals and plants as against rocks to integrate and abstract the concept living-organism.

Rocks can be subdivided into quarts, mineral, etc, as a second level abstraction

Minerals can be further more precisely differentiated into a third level abstraction by subdividing diamonds, quartz, and mica.

Protons, neutrons and electrons are no more metaphysically significant than the universe. We may grant atoms epistemological significance relative to the universe as a whole, or grant existence as epistemologically significant when identifying its primacy to consciousness.

Our abstractions vary in the degree relative to the perceptual level. In that sense, a first level abstraction (lowest order, if you will) is validated by the percept, or perceptual level data.

This is exactly right. Both wider and narrower abstractions are higher level relative to first level concepts.

Actually, concepts don’t subdivide; my process of thought subdivides to create new, lower-order concepts (which are structural constituents of the original).

But clearly we agree conceptually, if not on all the terms: concepts can be integrated with other concepts to form more embracing concepts, or subdivided into less embracing related concepts.

And, if people would understand the recursive nature of conceptuality, they would be more prone to accept Objectivism. It is often the search for a “single key”, the attempt to find an irreducible primary other than Existence on which to build; in effect, some want to only exercise the power of conception in the outward direction from a fundamental building block that cannot be scrutinized or subdivided. This is not the nature of the process, and is like trying to see with one eye: without the triangulation, you don’t see the depth (i.e., many seem to ignore/evade the “z-level” of conceptual reality in the “down-in-scale” direction).

  • ico

This is what has been behind my thinking here.

But I’m focusing on the context of self-definition. I think people often do spend a great deal of focus on self-identification, but in this process they err in conflating themselves with some external, esoteric, other.

In other words: you exist because you exist. You are your own justification for being. You either will live, or get hit by a car randomly on the highway today. Anything you do to improve your chances of living a happy long life, which can be properly be considered very good, is because you decide that that is what you wish to purue.

Concepts as abstractions work because they are abstractions. Your concepts may happen to be reduceable to perceptual concretes, but as concepts their utility is that they can apply correctly to future situations about which you have no concrete points of reference. Math is a good example. 2 + 2 = 4. 2 what? 4 what? Well, more than likely the concept of 2 in your mind is represented by a vast store of perceptual examples. This doesn’t change the fact that if you encounter a new object (purple orange maybe), that 2 of them and 2 of them will still be 4. This is why a concept of self is important, for its implications concerning purpose.

Again, it’s fine to teach Objectivism, but most people are not intellectuals. They still need the product of philosophy. Thus they need good philosophers. But that doesn’t mean they cannot receive the product of good philosophy, benefit from it, and demand more of it, before the state of institutional philosophy itself is changed.

I would use the concept of God actually, and completely un-cynically. One could point out how God represents that bit of knowledge that is inaccesible. How destiny and so forth belong to him. Thus, though we may turn our hearts to God if we need hope about what is beyond us, our minds must be turned to Earth. A rigorous, but gentle, Deism would help America at least vastly. My reasoning is that those who don’t feel they need God won’t. But those who haven’t or can’t integrate the implications of reality psychoepistemologically may still need this concept. What they need though, is a proper understanding of why - if God did create the world - reason and objectivity are the necessary and moral means of living in it. Moreover, I think people would benefit from having a object for their psychoepistemological need for God that allows them to move on from the Bible.

In fact, I think there’s a compelling argument for turning the Christian parable into a spiritual argument in favor of Objectivism-like philosophy. For example: “turn the other cheek” can be interpreted as a spiritual metaphor meaning - leave divine justice to God - and instead focus on the objective justice demanded by the conditions of reality.

Well, I don’t intend to make this thread a discussion about God, but I thought an example would highlight the sort of ‘approach’ I’m advocating here. Not an intellectual’s approach, but rather one based on principles of Objectivism, translated honestly into the appropriate psychoepistemological tokens.

And I haven’t read the Fountainhead because I read Atlas Shrugged first. In meetings with fellow fans of Ayn Rand, I noticed that those who had only read Atlas Shrugged were much more open to Objectivism, and those who had only read the Fountainhead were much more cynical about it. I put off reading the book for that reason, and then have been busy doing all sorts of other things.

I suppose it’s good to have, as art, for ‘when I need it’.

In other words: you exist because you exist. You are your own justification for being. You either will live, or get hit by a car randomly on the highway today. Anything you do to improve your chances of living a happy long life, which can be properly be considered very good, is because you decide that that is what you wish to purue.

In fact, I think there’s a compelling argument for turning the Christian parable into a spiritual argument in favor of Objectivism-like philosophy. For example: “turn the other cheek” can be interpreted as a spiritual metaphor meaning - leave divine justice to God - and instead focus on the objective justice demanded by the conditions of reality.

The first part is the only thing that can lead to reason and objectivity being necessary. If there’s ANY sort of divine authority, that completely destroys that idea of “you exist because you exist”. There is no need to justify your existence to god, reality, or anyone else, hence my previous post mentioning standards. Once you remove a sense of justifying yourself to some external source, you can then move onto focusing on self-identification, justifying your actions to yourself for your own ends. That’s the point that needs to be emphasized especially to people, and I think anyone young is able to grasp that. Maybe your idea would work with people 50+ who have long decided to be “set” in their ways, but what I care about are people my age.