I’m quite suprised that I’m the first person to bring this up but: if you’ve seen Farenheit 9/11 what did you think? What affect, if any, do you think it will have on the election? Do you feel Michael Moore was justified in his accusations against the Bush family and their close friends?
What really suprised me is that Kerry supporters were lined up at the theater in my city taking advantage of the opportunity to rally for Kerry.
I don’t think an Objectivist who knows anything about Michael Moore or about that film can justify (or endure!) paying to see it. I wouldn’t expect, therefore, much of a discussion about it here.
I don’t think an Objectivist who knows anything about Michael Moore or about that film can justify (or endure!) paying to see it. I wouldn’t expect, therefore, much of a discussion about it here.
Moore, being the supporter of file sharing…
Well, lets just say if I do plan on seeing it, I’m not paying for it. I want to honor the filmmaker’s wishes.
I heard a fellow on the radio say he bought a ticket for a different movie and “accidentally” went into the theater where F9/11 was playing. Good way to avoid giving your money to Moore, I must say.
From the previews and reviews I’ve seen, it’s glaringly clear that the film does not remotely resemble a “documentary”, yet that is what it is being called, and I’m sure that’s the award it will win at next year’s Oscars: Best Documentary. What a big joke it is. With Moore laughing all the way to the bank, I’m sure.
Again, stealing from immoral people is still stealing.
Again, stealing from immoral people is still stealing.
I understand that Daniel (Assuming you were directing your post to me), it was actually in the context of a joke, but I also understand that Michael Moore “gave people the permission to steal his movie.”
The movie isn’t a documentary, it’s pretty much a video editorial or video proproganda.
I don’t understand why people, groups, etc, are calling the movie a documentary myself.
How about the movie about Michael Moore.
I really want to go see it, because it would be very amusing–but more importantly I don’t want my money going to support him. So of course I won’t. But as for the people that fall “victim” to this…all I can say is that they deserve it. It is very obvious when he “bends” the truth.
It is very obvious when he “bends” the truth.
Not necessarily. I did see the movie and, with a few exceptions, I found his arguments very integrated and the flaws not so obvious. The fact, too, that his opponents so far have virtually ignored the movie sends a message that Moore is right by default, whether he was or not. Keep in mind that 90% or more of the people who saw the movie probably aren’t rational and won’t go home to check out the arguments on their own.
Not necessarily. I did see the movie and, with a few exceptions, I found his arguments very integrated and the flaws not so obvious.
Then you weren’t paying attention. According to Hitchens anyway.
The fact, too, that his opponents so far have virtually ignored the movie sends a message that Moore is right by default, whether he was or not.
On the contrary: in most cases, one should not respond to garbage of this nature. In doing so, one gives it a sanction it does not deserve.
I don’t think an Objectivist who knows anything about Michael Moore or about that film can justify (or endure!) paying to see it. I wouldn’t expect, therefore, much of a discussion about it here.
Are there any essays/resources I could find and read? I’ll admit that I’m probably a bit biased subconsciously since, before discovering Rand, I was a self admitted liberal and thought Bowling For Columbine was one of the best movies I’d seen at the time. In other words, I probably still have a lot of thinking to do.
Are there any essays/resources I could find and read? I’ll admit that I’m probably a bit biased subconsciously since, before discovering Rand, I was a self admitted liberal and thought Bowling For Columbine was one of the best movies I’d seen at the time. In other words, I probably still have a lot of thinking to do.
Don’t worry - it’s no sin. Here are some sites you might find helpful:
Don’t worry - it’s no sin. Here are some sites you might find helpful:
DPW
Because of your avatar, I picture a person on the brink of rage as I read your post. :blink:
As pointed out earlier, Christopher Hitchens doesn’t miss and hit the wall:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadA…le.asp?ID=13891
We have been discussing this at:
http://s7.invisionfree.com/capitalistparad…=184&st=0last
We have agreed that Michael Moore is fat.
Also, I think that most people who want to go and see this hate Bush anyway and will just see what they want to see and ignore the contradictions that Hitchens points out. :blink:
DPW
Because of your avatar, I picture a person on the brink of rage as I read your post. :blink:
That’s funny. Because of yours, I picture you as invisible. :o
That’s funny. Because of yours, I picture you as invisible.
Yeah. I never took the time to make an avatar. I really need to one day.
I saw it. One of my more liberal acquaintances bid me join him and his friend. His friend’s wife is the head of the “Wake up Kitsap” activist group. Go figure.
It was laughable, how easily people will eat up anything that they can remotely connect as “truth”. I know it gets old drawing parallels between Rand fiction, and the real world, but I couldn’t help but see Moore as Toohey and my two accquaintances as fellow Peter Keatings looking up in awe.
Just wait until “The Corporation” comes out. Disgusting.
I know it gets old drawing parallels between Rand fiction, and the real world, but I couldn’t help but see Moore as Toohey
I made that exact same observation about Moore.
Here is a deconstruction of Bowling for Columbine for anyone who is interested.
Truth about Bowling for Columbine
As a graduate of the same school district that Columbine is located in, I was especially frustrated by the lies in that film. I have no intention of seeing this new movie, if I do I certainly won’t being paying for it.
Just wait until “The Corporation” comes out. Disgusting.
Sorry for going off topic:
I remember they filmed “The Corporation” in my town, and it had a few select showings which I tried to see because I was a furious semi-socialist at the time. As far as I know, the film goes through the World Health Organizations checklist of what constitutes an insane person, and since corporations have the legal rights of a person, they deem corporations mentally insane by the actions in the movie.
You can thank Canada for both The Corporation, and Lions Gate Films in Vancouver for Farenheit 9/11. It is interesting to note that Lions Gate Films is a state-funded/subsidized movie company.
