My Introduction

I had always considered myself an honest and rational individual, but about a year ago I came to the horrid realization that I suppose many teenagers come upon with maturity that I was nothing short of a hypocrite. I considered myself rational, disciplined, and honest yet I realized that these attributes did not describe my character; rather I was belligerent, manipulative, irresponsible, and lazy.

I once had a passion for disgustingly excessive amounts of unearned self indulgance. I expected everything from everyone except from myself. My life could have once been summed up as School, parties, and video games. That was about the extent of my scope of the world. I realized suddenely sitting in the back of a car while somone I would have once called a friend was packing a bowl that my entire existence was pathetic. In my entire 16 years of existence from that point I conciously realized I had not accomplished one thing that I could confidently feel proud of. My grades were mediaocre, my athletic performance was piss poor, my self discipline was none existant, I possessed not talent, no defining skill, nothing, not one god damn thing. Now I’m happy to say I did possess the rationality to realize that I had to make changes, and I would have to be the source of such action. Instead of crying, “oh pity me” I went on a campaign of self improvement. Little by little everything changed, I picked up new habits and dropped old ones. I met new people, competent, intelligent, and confident inviduals who used each day to build upon themselves. Before my enlightenment I had secretly hated and envied this people, their success drove me made. However that turned to admiration. Although it remained frustrating, while they excelled, I was scrambling to undo the decade and a half of blunders.

As I progressed I became happier as a person. Obivously over the past year I picked up a bunch of new habits. I began to read every minute I could. Over the summer I was reading a book every 3-4 days, It was calming, it helped me to organize my own thoughts. One night I remebered a Dinner conversation in which somone brought up a book titled The Fountainhead by Ayn Rand, something about justifying selfishness, that’s all I could remeber the person saying. Needless to say I bought a copy I moved through it in about week. It made sense, every bit of it made sense. I had already held most of the philosophical concepts of the objectivsm to be true without knowing that such a philosophy actually existed. There was a short recess inbetween the time that I began Atlas Shrugged. I had a very basic understanding of Objectivism, and realized I wanted to know more. Atlas Shrugged (just began book 3) was amazing. It has been the catalyst for so much self realization, and general contemplation. I find myself adhering not conciously but rather naturally to objectivist principles in daily life I find myself more satisifed, harder working, disciplined, and increasingly independent. I would not however go so far to say I am satisifed and happy, not yet, I am not where I desire to be, I will work for it, and I will achieve it. I will not wish for it, rather know it’s inevitability due to my ability as a human to act, to work, and succeed.

I’m here because I want to further my understanding of objectivism. I wish to read and discuss the philosophies application to daily living, here on earth.

That’s my story, that is why I am here.

That’s quite an interesting story. I’m seventeen too, though I can’t say I had quite the philosophical turn-around you did. It’s very impressive, actually. Just remember, that life is a learning process. What you were isn’t who you are now- don’t beat yourself up too badly for it. The most important thing is that you made a wonderful change and are much happier now. Even when it seems frustrating that others are progressing while your just trying to undo the remenents of your old life, remember that it’s simply amazing you were able to change so drastically. And then work harder. :stuck_out_tongue:

On a lighter note, what do you enjoy doing, besides reading? I’ve found having a sport or two really enhances my life. Right now, I play soccer, rock climb, and ski fairly reguarly. You say your athletic skills suck, but you can still have fun doing things. If you pick a sport that doesn’t have competition, or one with a competition level suited to your ability, you should have a load of fun.

So have you given any though about what you might want to do with your life? I’m going to be a naval architect. I really want to start my own company, specializing in personal and luxury cruise submarines.

What of Miss Rand have you read? I know you said The Fountainhead, but it wasn’t clear whether you’ve finished Atlas Shrugged or not. All of her books are great- read them all! Also try Calumet “K” and Victor Hugo (if you’re up for an adventure). And the Sparrowhawk series by Edward Cline is very good. If your into history try C. Bradley Thompson’s John Adams & The Spirit of Liberty and The Ominous Parallels by Leonard Peikoff. Oh, there’s so many good books!

There are also books about Ayn Rand and how she lived her life (don’t get anything by the Brandens though!) namely Ayn Rand Answers, and The Facets of Ayn Rand. Ayn Rand Answers is simply her extemporanious answers to questions. The Facets of Ayn Rand should be useful to you in your quest of the philosophy’s application to life here on Earth. Though I haven’t read either (it’s on my “To-do” list :slight_smile: ), so I am just going on second-hand info.

I’d better get going, I still have to to a comparative analysis of the types of logic and arguments used in Patrick Henry’s speech to the Virginia convention (“Give me Liberty or give me Death!”) vesus Jefferson’s Declaration of Independence. Sounds like fun right?

Feel free to PM me if you want help with something or just to talk about life.

Zak

Welcome to the forum!

On a lighter note, what do you enjoy doing, besides reading? I’ve found having a sport or two really enhances my life. Right now, I play soccer, rock climb, and ski fairly reguarly. You say your athletic skills suck, but you can still have fun doing things. If you pick a sport that doesn’t have competition, or one with a competition level suited to your ability, you should have a load of fun.

So have you given any though about what you might want to do with your life? I’m going to be a naval architect. I really want to start my own company, specializing in personal and luxury cruise submarines.

What of Miss Rand have you read? I know you said The Fountainhead, but it wasn’t clear whether you’ve finished Atlas Shrugged or not. All of her books are great- read them all! Also try Calumet “K” and Victor Hugo (if you’re up for an adventure). And the Sparrowhawk series by Edward Cline is very good. If your into history try C. Bradley Thompson’s John Adams & The Spirit of Liberty and The Ominous Parallels by Leonard Peikoff. Oh, there’s so many good books!

Athletically I’m much better off now. One of the habits I picked up I was weight training, enjoying myself quite a bit, gained about 15-20lbs of muscle, it’s hard to gauge since there was fat loss as well. Yea I also ski quite frequently, in fact I was on my highschools ski team for three years and was kinda just kind of a middle of the pack skier. Well compared to other racers that is… I was actually also considering taking up a style of martial arts, which I’m not sure, Krav Maga looked really interesting but quality instructors are rare as apparently somehow it was watered down from Israeli military melee combat training to Soccer Mom self defense. How I’m unsure…

Somewhere down the road I developed a taste for the classical piano, it’s kind of funny when I set Itunes on shuffle a piece by Chopin will suddenely start playing right after Eye of the Tiger, and America F*ck yea. So I’m currently playing with the idea of taking the instrument up but I need to figure out how exactly to get my hands on a piano for a relatively low price.

Right now I’m divided between two career paths. One side of me wants to major in Chemistry and Molecular Biology in college and eventually get a masters in Biomedical Engineering. Frustratingly enough though my strengths are mostly in the humanities. It kind of torments me, I enjoy math and science and believe their more important than the humanities yet an honors math or science course is an uphill battle for me compared to the AP and honors English, government, and history courses I take. Hell my America studies/Government teacher emailed me telling me that I was one of those rare students that made teaching worth while to her and stating she would love to write me a recommendation to whatever college I apply. Despite the raw intellectual capacity I lacked the executive skills to back those up, so my grades were always B+/A-. So another part of me is inclinded to walk down the Economics, Poly Sci, History, and philosophy road. Then I’d back that up with a masters in finance and accounting and walk into the business world with a strong understanding of how the world of mankind works allowing me to build a respectable company, what I’d produce I’m unsure, I’d have to evaluate the situation of the world at the time and create and sell a product accordingly.

How’s rock climbing? My brother got into it along with ice climbing, he’s showing me the basics and I’ve signed up for a beginner course, I think we’re going to go climbing in some frozen quarry in a weekend or two.

I’m currently working on Atlas Shrugged, along with a couple other school books. Needless to say I can’t read it as frequently as I’d like. Once I’m finished I think I’m going to read one of her non-fictional books. I’ll definently look into those that you listed as well. I’m also planning to read the Communist Manifesto or the Capital in the near future. I’ve been hearing for years that “communism works on paper” usually from other people that haven’t even read the damn thing. I want to verify or dispell that claim for myself. Rand makes it pretty obivous how flawed the system is, that it ends up becoming a simple cesspool for coruption and essentially evil but I’d like to look into it more deeply.

Athletically I’m much better off now. One of the habits I picked up I was weight training, enjoying myself quite a bit, gained about 15-20lbs of muscle, it’s hard to gauge since there was fat loss as well. Yea I also ski quite frequently, in fact I was on my highschools ski team for three years and was kinda just kind of a middle of the pack skier. Well compared to other racers that is… I was actually also considering taking up a style of martial arts, which I’m not sure, Krav Maga looked really interesting but quality instructors are rare as apparently somehow it was watered down from Israeli military melee combat training to Soccer Mom self defense. How I’m unsure…

Sweet. I love skiing. I’ve been skiing for like twelve-thirteen years. (I’m unsure how to count because I broke my collarbone two years ago and I didn’t ski much last year cause the snow sucked- I started when I was three, we’ll leave it at that). I lift weight occasionally, but climbing kind of takes care of my upper body and soccer takes care of my lower body. Climbing is such a workout. I used to lift weights often, but I don’t climb or play soccer well when I’m sore. Then I get frustrated. :stuck_out_tongue:

Somewhere down the road I developed a taste for the classical piano, it’s kind of funny when I set Itunes on shuffle a piece by Chopin will suddenely start playing right after Eye of the Tiger, and America F*ck yea. So I’m currently playing with the idea of taking the instrument up but I need to figure out how exactly to get my hands on a piano for a relatively low price.

Yeah, I know what you mean. My music consits of classical and indie rock (I guess that’s what it’s called).

Right now I’m divided between two career paths. One side of me wants to major in Chemistry and Molecular Biology in college and eventually get a masters in Biomedical Engineering. Frustratingly enough though my strengths are mostly in the humanities. It kind of torments me, I enjoy math and science and believe their more important than the humanities yet an honors math or science course is an uphill battle for me compared to the AP and honors English, government, and history courses I take. Hell my America studies/Government teacher emailed me telling me that I was one of those rare students that made teaching worth while to her and stating she would love to write me a recommendation to whatever college I apply. Despite the raw intellectual capacity I lacked the executive skills to back those up, so my grades were always B+/A-. So another part of me is inclinded to walk down the Economics, Poly Sci, History, and philosophy road. Then I’d back that up with a masters in finance and accounting and walk into the business world with a strong understanding of how the world of mankind works allowing me to build a respectable company, what I’d produce I’m unsure, I’d have to evaluate the situation of the world at the time and create and sell a product accordingly.

Man, that’s a hard one. I love math and physics, and its also what I’m best at (though I’m still getting an A in AP English). If you go into economics/ finance, you could contract out to companies to help them produce stuff. You don’t necessarily have to produce anything; you simply help others produce something. You wouldn’t have to start your own business to do this though, you could simply work for a business that does produce something. Hell, I want to own my own business but I’m not thrilled about figuring out the “business” part of things. I’m sure there are plenty of people like me who want to produce and have their own business but would rather hire someone to help with the economics/financial part.

How’s rock climbing? My brother got into it along with ice climbing, he’s showing me the basics and I’ve signed up for a beginner course, I think we’re going to go climbing in some frozen quarry in a weekend or two.

It’s pretty sick. I’m climbing like three-four days a week, because I have soccer the other four. I haven’t been doing it for very long, but I’m having a load of fun. Sometimes I’m at the climbing gym for like four hours before I realize it’s a school night and I need to go do homework.

I’m currently working on Atlas Shrugged, along with a couple other school books. Needless to say I can’t read it as frequently as I’d like. Once I’m finished I think I’m going to read one of her non-fictional books. I’ll definently look into those that you listed as well. I’m also planning to read the Communist Manifesto or the Capital in the near future. I’ve been hearing for years that “communism works on paper” usually from other people that haven’t even read the damn thing. I want to verify or dispell that claim for myself. Rand makes it pretty obivous how flawed the system is, that it ends up becoming a simple cesspool for coruption and essentially evil but I’d like to look into it more deeply.

Yeah, I’d read her non-fiction next. Intro to the Objectivist Epistemology is exceptionally hard, so you might want to stay away from that until later. I’d recommend starting with The Virtue of Selfishness. I’m not sure if I would read the Communist Manifesto. I’d wait and read more Rand before tackling such a long, boring work, but that’s just me. I’d rather read the good stuff while I’m formulating my philosophy before I start reading other stuff. The other stuff will just leave you with even more questions and confusion.

Zak

I’m not sure if I would read the Communist Manifesto. I’d wait and read more Rand before tackling such a long, boring work, but that’s just me.

The Communist Manifesto isn’t a long, boring work; it’s a short, rather interesting work, although obviously horrid philosophically. You were probably thinking of Das Kapital (which I haven’t read, and don’t plan to). :stuck_out_tongue:

Yes, thank you Shawn! My bad. I was indeed thinking of Das Kapital.