SELLING OBJECTIVISM

How about the first, second, fourth, fifth, and last statements as a bare bones summary of Objectivism as guiding principles? Is there something that should be added to those five statements to cover all the bases?

I still think it’s focused too far up the hierarchy. There’s no mention of epistemology. Rand herself once noted that she is not so much an advocate of capitalism as of egoism, and not so much an advocate of egoism as of reason. Reason, properly understood, is the bedrock on which everything else rests. Men who live under political freedom and who value their own lives and happiness, but who act on their unanalyzed emotions of the moment, are not Objectivists – and they will not long remain free, or retain their lives and happiness.

Reason is also important as part of Objectivism’s Unique Selling Proposition – it’s one of the things that distinguishes our philosophy from other superficially similar movements, like conservatism and libertarianism. (This suggests the possibility of multiple ‘business card’ presentations, each designed to positively present Objectivism *as distinct from some other popular movement*. Somewhat along the lines of the “Secular. Pro-Freedom. Disenfrancised '08” T-shirt idea I had for the election last year.)

Perhaps the place to start is with Rand’s own “standing on one foot” summary of Objectivism. That should capture all the points that she thought were essential to her philosophy. Then fiddle with the language as necessary.

You and khaight are on the same track and I agree. Check my answer to him and see what you think. I looked at what I wrote and cut it down to five statements, each less than a line long. There might be one or two more needed to cover salient points of Objectivism.

I like some of your ideas for bumper stickers. A variety of approaches makes an effective campaign. Bumper stickers and tee shirts are most effective when they have an edge to them. They invite more commentary that way.

Let’s keep up this exchange of ideas. Somewhere in the Forum I would still like to see a place where we can park our cards and tracts, etc, so anyone who wants them can download them and print them out. ES

I think Kaight is right about a focus on reason, but I wouldn’t exclude more emotional means. Variety can be very effective and, as not everyone is at the same level of development, what may not strike a chord with one person may with another. I know that when I was younger and was writing letters to the editor I would sometiimes not send one in because I thought it was _not the perfect way_ to present Objectivism. But that kind of self-regulation can kill one’s enthusiasm and inhibit creative thinking. The thing is–to fight for your values the best you can whenever you can, not to wait for the moment when you’ve got it all right.

Perhaps the place to start is with Rand’s own “standing on one foot” summary of Objectivism. That should capture all the points that she thought were essential to her philosophy. Then fiddle with the language as necessary.

From 1969 to c1985 there was an objectivist/libertarian (with the emphasis on Objectivism) newspaper published at MIT, distributed there, Harvard and Boson University and by subscription, called ERGO. Names to accociate are Robert Biddonotto, Warren Ross, Steve Wright. Erich Veyhl and Gary McGath

I first came across it in '72

At the beginning of each school year, they would publish “BASIC PRINCIPLES OF OBJECTIVSM” which they said came from the Rand group itslef that listed in outline form, a kind of credo

If anyone can find an issue #1 from any volume. You would have what yu seek but it would not fit on a business card

How about

OBJECTIVISM: IT’S FOR REAL

Here are a few more ideas for signs.

You Raised Our Tax

You Broke Our Backs

You Get The Sacks!

Bailing Out Failure

By Taxing Success

Aborts The Savior

Of Happiness.

Drink and Drive;

or Think and Keep Alive.

Shirk, Whine and Lose,

or Work Hard and Cruise.

I Am Right To Love My life;

Are You A Right One Too?

If You Lead,

Who Will You Follow?

No More Time

In Self-pity To Wallow.

You Are An Individual,

You Are Reading This.

Love Your Effort,

Love Your Focus,

Love You Mind.

I got a suggestion that we might create a clearing house for materials to use in selling Objectivism at: http://wiki.rationalmind.net.

I haven’t had a chance to investigate the venue so I’ll have to spend some time getting acquainted with it. Since I am only semi-literate here, I thought I’d put it out to you. One of you may be more familiar with it than I am.

I still think it’s focused too far up the hierarchy. There’s no mention of epistemology. Rand herself once noted that she is not so much an advocate of capitalism as of egoism, and not so much an advocate of egoism as of reason. Reason, properly understood, is the bedrock on which everything else rests. Men who live under political freedom and who value their own lives and happiness, but who act on their unanalyzed emotions of the moment, are not Objectivists – and they will not long remain free, or retain their lives and happiness.

Reason is also important as part of Objectivism’s Unique Selling Proposition – it’s one of the things that distinguishes our philosophy from other superficially similar movements, like conservatism and libertarianism. (This suggests the possibility of multiple ‘business card’ presentations, each designed to positively present Objectivism *as distinct from some other popular movement*. Somewhat along the lines of the “Secular. Pro-Freedom. Disenfrancised '08” T-shirt idea I had for the election last year.)

Perhaps the place to start is with Rand’s own “standing on one foot” summary of Objectivism. That should capture all the points that she thought were essential to her philosophy. Then fiddle with the language as necessary.

We might need to discuss what is our target audience here. For example, I write a bunch of guys I grew up with almost daily. A lot of politics and economy stuff these days, as you can imagine. If I were to drop the term “epistemology” into an exchange, there are a couple of them who would wonder what bugs had to do with anything :stuck_out_tongue: .

I’m still thinking we want something simple, plain language, that someone with no interest in the study of philosophy can relate to. I may be settling for half a loaf here, but I think people need to understand that Objectivism isn’t some mystical code of beliefs that has no relevance to them. They need to see it as a better guide to their daily life than what they have now. Ninety percent of them will never become students of Objectivism like most of those of us who frequent this site. That’s okay. At least that many of them are not serious students of the Christian ethic that is their guide right now. But if we increase the number of people who have even a token understanding of Objectivism, we increase the number who will become serious students.

Your point of a variety of cards is well taken. If we create a clearing house site, we can fill it with a variety of material that will reach a variety of people. Tee shirt slogans for those who like tee shirts, tracts to place around for people to pick up, bumper sticker slogans that people can have made up, cards that give the basics in simple terms, cards that focus on government philosophy or on capitalism, suggested letters to government officials, guidelines on introducing Objectivist principles into other website and blog exchanges, etc.

I don’t see any of us at odds with each other here, just interested in reaching out on several levels.

I like the business card idea, but once you capture your targets attention then you have to send them somewhere. I think a forum like this one though perhaps a separate “Objectivist curious” section might be best where we Oist’s could help and guide the interested.

as for the slogan…

I am, I think, I love, I create, I own, I am.

www.objectivismonline.net

I like the business card idea, but once you capture your targets attention then you have to send them somewhere. I think a forum like this one though perhaps a separate “Objectivist curious” section might be best where we Oist’s could help and guide the interested.

as for the slogan…

I am, I think, I love, I create, I own, I am.

www.objectivismonline.net

You have a good thought there. Most newcomers would be more comfortable in an Objectivist primer venue that starts with the basic tenets then expands on them to cover the fields affected by philosophy. An artist might head right for a Objective view of aesthetics then expand to other areas that are of interest.

As far as coming up with a brief definitive statement for Objectivism, a slogan, I’m beginning to feel a little like George Carlin trimming down the Ten Commandments :stuck_out_tongue: . This might be an area where we each pick what turns our own crank and work with it.

Perhaps there may not be just “one” thing to do.

A good military operation like D-Day involves many things Sea, Air, Ground, Amror, etc.

There are three things here.

Business cards.

Manifesto

Websites. If you look at my domain console in my sig. I have a site that acts as just that. Would it not be a good idea for persons with sites to put in a section on Rand and her philosophy. One such is Valkyrie Firearms.

As you can see, the idea is to up the level of sophistication from a quick, pithy statement to a full bore treatment

One of the big problems is a useful definition. The Intellectual Activisit used “The philosophy of Ayn Rand” which was really an ostensive or pointing one and to me is unsatisfactory for the job at hand. If you’re selling something, people want straigh answers not smart talk. I have a d efinition on my website.

As to organized effort. I’ve got no problem but that seems to scare off many O-ists. Instead of “orgaized” how about coordinated

Now, if we can get links to a number of these sites or sections of sites we can put them on a linkpage of an unofficial sort. and print that on the business card.

It would be nice if someone would put some of Rand’s essays up on line for persons to peruse to get the flavor of them.

NOTE: I don’t know how many of you are familiar with STARLOG in its early days. The first editory, Kerry O’Quinn is trying to put together a theatrical version of ANTHEM. I’m also trying to see if I can’t interest him in doing something with Space Patrol. I have a place in my main site where you can watch a few episodes of the old time shows

Perhaps there may not be just “one” thing to do.

A good military operation like D-Day involves many things Sea, Air, Ground, Amror, etc.

There are three things here.

Business cards.

Manifesto

Websites. If you look at my domain console in my sig. I have a site that acts as just that. Would it not be a good idea for persons with sites to put in a section on Rand and her philosophy. One such is Valkyrie Firearms.

As you can see, the idea is to up the level of sophistication from a quick, pithy statement to a full bore treatment

One of the big problems is a useful definition. The Intellectual Activisit used “The philosophy of Ayn Rand” which was really an ostensive or pointing one and to me is unsatisfactory for the job at hand. If you’re selling something, people want straigh answers not smart talk. I have a d efinition on my website.

As to organized effort. I’ve got no problem but that seems to scare off many O-ists. Instead of “orgaized” how about coordinated

Now, if we can get links to a number of these sites or sections of sites we can put them on a linkpage of an unofficial sort. and print that on the business card.

It would be nice if someone would put some of Rand’s essays up on line for persons to peruse to get the flavor of them.

NOTE: I don’t know how many of you are familiar with STARLOG in its early days. The first editory, Kerry O’Quinn is trying to put together a theatrical version of ANTHEM. I’m also trying to see if I can’t interest him in doing something with Space Patrol. I have a place in my main site where you can watch a few episodes of the old time shows

I personally believe if you go out and try to “sell Oism”, people may perceive it as no different than any other “ism” like catholicism, judiasm, etc. The more an infrastructure that Oism resembles that of god grounded religions, the more there will be an ongoing debate and discussions as to the parallels between Oism and other religions.

Objectively, pardon the use of the word, if one dissects how churches/relgious movements are organized, philosophies promoted, meetings attended, the collective involved in promoting the movement, the more I think some will see a similarity, not to mention that the books of the new and old testament are fictional, where much of the judeochristian philosophies (aside from god) are rooted, is not dissimilar to some of the Oism philosophies drawn from the fictional writings of Rand.

Be open for discussion about it.

The fictional stories in the bibles and bible like writings were put together by “scholars” of the time. Note that there is much good, without the god aspect of god-religion, that people find a way to live their lives. There is a lot of crap to sift through to find good things, but not all the writings of the scholars is bad. Example, in judiaism, it is considered a good thing to donate money (charity), in fact, per capita, the jewish communities around the world are the most generous of any group of individuals. This isn’t done by the majority of people to get in “gods good books”, but a philosophy based on some of the teachings and writings. Extracting the good, being reasonable and rational about how to and what to extract makes good sense.