The Price of the Dollar

I’m not sure where to ask this, so I’m asking here. If there is a more appropriate site or forum on this site to ask this, I’d like to know.

The value of the US Dollar has been dropping for some time now and I’m wondering if anyone has any knowledge of whether it is about to stop dropping (and start rising)?

The reason I’m asking is because I’ve been thinking of buying some foreign currency, since Croatia is near bankruptcy. The Dollar is now very low, which is why I’m interesting in buying it.

Also, I’d like to know where, if at all, I can find some charts concerning the values of other currencies on the internet.

If anyone’s willing to help, I’d appreciate it.

I’m not sure where to ask this, so I’m asking here. If there is a more appropriate site or forum on this site to ask this, I’d like to know.

Try http://www.austrianforum.com

Not that this isn’t an approrpiate forum, or that you won’t get an answer here, but I think you’re more likely to get an answer there.

…But if it helps any, everything I’ve read on the subject says that the dollar will continue its downward trend for the remainder of 2005. Although I don’t have any sources to back that up, so I don’t know how useful it will be to you.

I would suggest that the opinions of most economists – Austrian or otherwise – should not be a key factor in your decision.

You could look to seasoned market players for advice. From my reading, I find that their opinions on the dollar are divided. Some big players have taken a short position on the dollar, citing the ever-growing trade deficit in the US. On the other hand, there are some that point to the fact that gold has already risen about 50% in dollar terms over the last three years or so (i.e. the dollar has fallen). Still others say that the dollar will fall, but not against all currencies – for example, the dollar may fall against a basket of currencies or against gold, while rising against the Euro.

Since your objective is to hedge Croatian currency, I suggest that you diversify your non-Croatian holdings. (Not sure what the laws and the commissions are like in Croatia.) You could hold a mix of Gold, US$, Swiss Franc, Euro & Yen. All fairly strong currencies. If legally feasible you could buy very short term (why short term–that’s another post) government bonds in the same currencies. So, for instance, you might be able to hold a US government bond that expires in 2 years and earn a couple of percent interest while holding it. Same for other currencies.

As for charts: this site has four years of historical data.. For older data (from 1990) this site offers some graphs, but is a bit tedious to use.

Thank you both. I’ll do my research on my own from here.

Along with trade deficits, interest rates also factor in. The higher American interest rates go (the Fed Funds Rate) the more the dollar is worth relative to other currencies.

But, I agree that market players will know more about trading for dollars than anyone else. Currency trading seems very complicated, or whatever I remember from Macroecon 101 :slight_smile:

Along with trade deficits, interest rates also factor in.  The higher American interest rates go (the Fed Funds Rate) the more the dollar is worth relative to other currencies.

But, I agree that market players will know more about trading for dollars than anyone else.  Currency trading seems very complicated, or whatever I remember from Macroecon 101  B)

I’m not really going into trading. I just want the value I now have in Croatian currency to remain at least constant in regard to other currencies, should the country go bankrupt. If that happens, the prices may (or rather will) go up and what I have now although it can be called a lot, could be nothing when the prices start skyrocketing.

And when I’m already buying, why not buy a currency which is now at its lowest and then let it grow?

In Croatia, can one just walk into a bank and buy US Dollars (at least up to a limit that most middle class individuals would find high) ?

What about foreign accounts when it comes to stocks – e.g. investing in US stocks? Is that legal?

In Croatia, can one just walk into a bank and buy US Dollars (at least up to a limit that most middle class individuals would find high) ?

What about foreign accounts when it comes to stocks – e.g. investing in US stocks? Is that legal?

I don’t know about stocks, but I can buy foreign currency. To my knowledge, there is no legal limit to how much foreign currency I can have.

If the Croatian currency is freely convertible into dollars, your local market is telling you that it is not scared of a huge vaporization of the value of your currency.

There are very very few people in the world who can know whether the value of a currency will rise or fall. Reason:

  • The price of a currency (just like everything else) is determined by how much people value it now, and how they expect the price to change in the future. Lets say that the dollar is worth 1 euro today, but everyone knows that it will be worth only .5 euros next week. If that was the case, EVERYONE would try to sell their dollars today. BUT, if everyone knew that you could get a dollar for only .5 euros next week, no one would be willing to pay more than .5 euros today. If it is obvious that it is beneficial to sell dollars, why would anyone want to buy them?

In a free market, prices will be determined by supply and demand, meaning that prices will be at the point where there are equally many suppliers as demanders. People will only choose to trade if they believe they’ll benefit, so that must mean that at the market price, there are always equally many people who believe that the dollar will lose value, as there are people who believe that the dollar will gain value.

The actual price of the dollar is not very relevant in this case, what matters is whether it will go up or down. The fact that it is historically low right now does not imply that it will go either up or down, because of what I said in the paragraph above.

However, there are a couple of reasons why you might want to concider buying dollars:

  1. You expect that you’ll suffer more from a collapse in your economy than the average demander of dollars. In this case, there will be people who are willing to take a greater risk than you are by holding your currency. This would be the case if you have some strong dependence with the US, for example if you have saved money to go to school here, or if you own a business that trades with the US.

  2. You think you know more about the economic condition of your country than the average currency trader. We do not have perfect information in this world, especially not about governments who often are pretty unpredictable. People who trade currency may therefore base their decisions on wrong information, but it is probably not likely that we know more about what’s going on than the professional traders have.

I’ve been a teaching assistant in an international finance class, but when people ask me what I expect to happen in the currency market, I have to admit that I have no idea!

The price of US Dollar, as well as inflation, is indirectly, though accurately controlled through the reserve.

I cite my post here.

All this is not something that anyone should go around blabbing about. They are a very powerful organization.

All this is not something that anyone should go around blabbing about. They are a very powerful organization.

Controlled by the Jewish bankers, no doubt. Or, do the modern conspiracies prefer to blame Saudi bankers?

Out of curiosity, anyone care to share their opinion on what exactly will happen when the US dollar becomes worthless.

I thought that it would be great to some extent since the government would no longer be able to fund organizations such as the IRS. But then I thought the government will only use its gold reserves from Fort Knox, and who knows, they may even take every one else’s gold due to the “emergency.”

I honestly do not know what will happen, but I would like to have a discussion on different possibilities and maybe even find out how protect our freedoms when the situation does arise.

I don’t think the currency could ever be truely worthless. Sure we could (hypothetically) have 1000% annual inflation, but that is still a long way from being worthless.

The government wouldn’t have to lessen its activities much at all.

I don’t think the currency could ever be truely worthless. Sure we could (hypothetically) have 1000% annual inflation, but that is still a long way from being worthless.

1000% inflation rate, wouldn’t that make the currency practically worthless?

Out of curiosity, anyone care to share their opinion on what exactly will happen when the US dollar becomes worthless.

You say “when” rather than “if”. Do you assume that the dollar will become worthless? In your lifetime? If so, what is the basis for this judgement?

This is an assumption based on the nature of the Federal Reserve System.

I got ahead of myself when I said “when” instead of “if.” For this I apologize, especially if I wasted anyone’s time.

If the United States government starts backing its money with a gold standard, then it is a possibility that the hyperinflation scenario will not occur. But since I do not think that the United States government will change its practices, I expect trouble for the economy in the future.

By “hyperinflation”, I assume that you mean inflation of the order of 50% per year or even much worse.

History of the Fed: The Fed has been in existence since 1913 and the US went off the gold standard somewhere around 1935, but retained some form of it in allowing gold-covertibility to foreign banks. This too was ended in 1971.

History of the gold price: In 1935, $35/ounce. In 1971, $44/ounce. Today (2005), $445 an ounce.

Inflation: If one takes the “price of a dollar”, in terms of gold, one would find that it has lost value at less than 8% per year between 1971 and 2005. However, in 1980, gold almost hit $900 an ounce. So, if one takes the period 1971-80, one finds the dollar declining @ about 35% per annum in terms of gold. Ofcourse, one then has the value of the dollar rising, not falling, between 1980 and today.

Recent History: If you take more recent history, you will see that the price of the dollar has been virtually steady (in gold terms) since about 1990, with a slight rise in the late 1990’s/early 2000’s.

Relevance of the Gold Price: The price of gold does not reflect the contemporaneous value of the dollar in terms of other commodities. It is predictive of the long-term value of the dollar. So, for instance, in 1980, the huge decline in the dollar’s value in terms of gold, did not reflect a similar decline in the dollar’s value in terms of other goods (CPI for 1979 was 11%, for 1980 it was 13.5%). The relatively higher jump in the price of gold reflected deteriorating inflation expectations for the future.

Gold thus acts as an indicator of “the market’s” longer-term inflation expectations and therefore will react sharply if the market perceives a substantially changed future. Ofcourse, in the 1980’s case, the market was wrong. The US corrected many of its prior economic misdeeds in the area of money-supply, and gold came back to under $500 an ounce. Similarly, the strong dollar of the late 1990’s/early 2000’s reflected the market’s unrealistic expectations that economic nivana was around the corner: that the stock market would go sky high, and inflation had been wiped off the face of the earth!

Money Supply: What if one uses money supply as an indicator of inflation? After all “inflation” originally simply meant that: inflation of the money-supply. In 1971, M1 was $215, and M3 was $685 (billions). Today (2005), M1 is 1360 and M3 is 9570. So, M1 grew at 6% per year, while M3 grew at a little over 8%. However, if you look at the past 10 years, you find that M1 grew at under 2% per annum while M3 grew at 8%.

From all this historical data, I cannot find any evidence that the dollar is heading significantly lower. Also, the Fed is not doing anything significantly differewnt from the past. It does do some things better: for one, it places a higher importance on price level control than it used to in the 60’s and 70’s and it keeps the market informed about its next few moves, so that there are few surprises.

If you have any reason to believe that the US is heading toward hyperinflation, I’d be curious to understand what it is.

If the United States government starts backing its money with a gold standard, then it is a possibility that the hyperinflation scenario will not occur.

More important than the gold standard or Federal Reserve System policy is whether the Congress continues to run large budget deficits. Surpluses would make the dollar stronger. Deficits make it weaker.

History of the gold price: In 1935, $35/ounce. In 1971, $44/ounce. Today (2005), $445 an ounce.

I think that originally the dollar was set at one twentieth of a troy ounce of gold, i.e. a gold price of $20/ounce.