Why Naturalism Cannot Think

The only thinking that exists is present thinking. This insight is, by necessity, utterly obscure to naturalism. Let us see why. When I talk about a friend’s thinking, or my own thinking from the past, or Galileo’s thinking, this “thinking” is actually always—without exception—an object , something thought about in some presently ongoing thinking. In short, the nature of thought is performative. An object of thinking is not truly thinking.

“So what?” common sense asks. “Those abstract objects might still refer, or point, to a real thinking performed by my neighbor, or by myself in the past, or by Galileo.” Indeed? Let us analyze what happens when I make someone else’s thinking an object of thought. I cannot take Galileo’s idea without constructing, bit by bit, this theory in my own mind. Thoughts are not received—they are built. Every so-called “theory” that I’ve ever studied is something I built myself, in my own soul. And yet, if my mind stopped there, it would consider itself the author of every theory it encountered—of every philosophy. And it would not be wrong, from an ultimate standpoint. The history of philosophy exists solely in present philosophizing; poems exist in the thought which builds and feels them today; human history itself is the work of the present historian. And yet, don’t these creations of my soul stand, as it were, “in front of me” with the same objectivity as a chair or table? Of course—because it is the very nature of thought to “naturalize” itself. Thinking is a unity between what was already thought (the category of fact) and the present thinking which develops and advances it. In other words, thinking is the creation of new history by considering old history.

Naturalism, therefore, does not see that all that is present to consciousness—to thought—is self-created. Such is the situation with someone like Rand or Peikoff, who would consider past thought a “natural fact,” an instance of “existence exists.” But “what was thought” (the fact) is never in isolation from “what is being thought” (present thinking in act).

And yet, how could we explain idealism to a naturalist? Even Rand and Peikoff “validated” their axioms by ostensive proof from “the given,” a.k.a. perception. Fine. Ask them, “What validates perception?” and they reply, “Every word and concept is derived from perception; so in asking, you’re already relying on it.” Really? Is the concept of validation derived from perception? Is the concept of perception derived from perception? Nice way to hand-wave such foundational matters. No—it’s clear that answers to life’s questions are not going to be obtained in this uncritical manner.

The perceptual level is authoritative because it’s “given,” say Rand and Peikoff. But if we look closely (and this escaped Rand), “givenness” and “alterity” are not objects—not something perceived—they are relations, abstractions. The so-called perception of alterity is, in fact, a making-of-alterity: an active separating of self from other. That is thinking—and therefore, thinking is always the proper starting point. When Descartes performed his famous meditations, did he not start precisely by stripping away everything that was not his thinking itself? Fitting, as that’s the nature of thinking: to forget itself in the objects it makes. We do not passively receive anything. In the world of thinking, all is by labor. Thinking “exists” just insofar as it creates, makes, builds something. I think—therefore I am.

And what is this “I?” When something is thought, we have an object (such as Michelangelo’s aesthetic philosophy) and the thinking itself, which is the “I.” This needs stressing. The “I” is not an object; it is what realizes itself just insofar as it produces an object. And that object—the original and foundational object—is the obiectum mentis, our body. The “I” is not separate from the object; it is the act which exists because it realizes itself in that object. Hence, mind and body are united, but not in the manner naturalism wants them to be. Space is not a container of the body but rather a creation of the boundary of this body—without which it would be indeterminate, not thinkable. This space is indefinite, meaning it is just “this” boundary—but every boundary is itself in need of an additional boundary in order to be “that” boundary, ad infinitum. Space stretches just insofar as our inquiry stretches. Of course, space is NOT a container, but just the boundary between multiples—between objects. Alongside my body, I posit many objects.

As soon as I consider those objects, they cease to make sense if I adopt a naturalistic perspective. Each object is just a name for another one. A pillow is a name for feathers and cotton. A feather is a name for two types of keratin, ad infinitum. Kant unwittingly showed another absurdity when he considered the manifold to be originally un-unified. What does it mean to have an un-unified multiple, if not that the elements reciprocally exclude each other—and that is what s_pace_ is_!_ Kant’s multiplicity is unthinkable; in thought, all is absorbed in the synthesis. We also have time—an abstract timeline. But time is just a form of thought. When I read a book, each past moment of reading is preserved—otherwise, each newly read word would be an utter cacophony. When I think history, past, present, and future all converge in present thought.

It behooves us to consider the relation between the particular and universal, for Rand, Peikoff, and many others have missed it. When we grasp that 2 + 2 = 4, we take it to be true for all minds, because mind is the very ground of universality. The universality of the laws of mathematics and other abstract laws is the universality of thought. However, the ancients—Plato and Aristotle—misplaced this universality in the products of thought (ideas, general archetypes), not seeing that it is not ideas which are universal, but the forms of thinking themselves. The structure of thought is universally valid for all possible thinkers—and hence different people will not have different mathematics, for example.

And yet, is individuality not itself a type of universally valid structure? This escaped the ancients because they treated the particular and individual as two separate “objects” of philosophizing. In truth, every mathematical number is both “this particular number” and “this number in general.” There is no universal that is not realized as a particular, nor is there a particular that is not a sort of “type” or “kind.” We see this most intimately in the individual person—the empirical I. Every thought we think, we think as though it were valid for all minds, for all times. Even our deepest self-doubt is asserted as absolute truth. When we cherish a piece of music, or someone who stirs our soul, we cannot help but feel that anyone who doesn’t feel it too is somehow missing something. It’s puzzling: the individual, whose mind is “subjective” by virtue of being just one among many minds that can disagree with him, experiences the deepest universality in precisely its most personal thoughts. Fitting, because universality realizes itself only in the particular, and the particular only makes sense through the universal. Rand’s conceptualism is utterly myopic in this regard, repeating the nominalist error of not seeing that essences are indeed present in objects. What she considers a “universal” is actually a concept—a.k.a. the abstract universal. She is right to say those don’t really “exist,” but does not see that the particular and universal are sides of the same coin. Just as something is only useful if it conforms to a truth (contra Pragmatism), a concept is valid only if it correctly grasps an actual type, kind, or archetype that can exist, as we’ve shown, only in the individual—and vice versa.

Thinking cannot be conceived in freedom, its acts possessing a certain value, except by seeing it from the point of view of other minds. Thus we are forced to posit that, beyond this subjective mind, there is another—be it another person, a God, a transcendental I. We even need this other to watch over us and prevent us from going astray. Thus, inside us, there is our “wiser self” nudging us to be better; there are the inspirational people that have already lived; there are our friends, our mentors. But to know this “other” is also to understand that their thoughts and my reconstruction of their thoughts are one and the same object—for me. When I debate someone, the debate is actually between two sides of my own self: the one animating my own belief, and my reconstruction of the other’s thought. Individuality is not the “mind-independent” factum posited by naturalism, which would be an absurdity (like Kant’s un-unified manifold, each part excluding the other “for real” rather than in the synthesis of thought). Philosophical labor pushes us to see everything as Spirit—even individuality and separation are not in isolation from universality and synthesis.

Thinking, let it be stressed, is not many. It is a synthesis that develops itself into many moments and thoughts. Try to simply “be,” to observe the “given” without any thinking; when this “pure” moment of experience comes, how do you recognize it as “pure” without distinguishing it from a thought-saturated one? That distinction is a form of thought. Because thought is continuous, perennial. It is not one “experience” among others—it is that which unifies everything into a cohesive narrative.

Nor can we agree with Rand’s separation between sensibility and thought. As our dreams at night amply show, thought is what gives rise to experience in the first place. Rand might reply that the dream is constructed from perception—but this raises the question: do I “perceive” the landscapes of my dream? Contra Rand—and even Eastern philosophy—treating thought as something passively “seen” by consciousness is absurd. That’s just naïve realism in disguise: it reifies consciousness into a hard, solid screen, a camera, an inner eye watching mental images. But that only materializes consciousness and leaves the problem unresolved: whence those objects? How are objects to appear to consciousness unless, at the most basic level, thought is consciousness itself—and “to make is to know,” “to create is to be conscious”?

Kant’s system, Dante’s poetry—those are born now, in the thought which rebuilds them. History is not what has happened, but what is considered today from the standpoint of contemporary interest. Therefore, we must answer the mystics too, who imagine the individual to be lost and annulled in the being of the Absolute. In truth, the Universal “I” realizes itself precisely in individuality—a poem, a historical figure, a philosophy. Those are eternal, outside of time, always existing solely in the present thinking that builds them anew. Sensing this, we yearn for the immortality of our individual selves in the form of leaving a legacy—some value in the dance of thought—for reality is history, and history is thinking. The immortality of the transcendental ego is the mortality of the empirical ego.

The active, creative nature of Spirit viscerally recognizes the error of Parmenides and naturalism. A being that is—finished and done with—means that only one thing is possible: the actualization of some dormant potential already present from eternity in the constitution of being. It is what is referenced when Michelangelo says that he is only bringing out the statue already present in the rock; or the marking on a violin where the luthier writes, “I [the violin] was dormant in the wood”; or the Preacher says, “There is nothing new under the sun,” for what is possible has been fixed and done with from eternity. We are, so to speak, metaphysical puppets. We might bring out the perfection already implicit in being—or not. Either way, it does not matter, for what is possible has already been set in stone. Our moral nature becomes the duplication of a script written by no one, for no one. Reality shows no increase in being, no development, no true history.

It is absurd. Reality is not the presupposition of thinking, but the very development of thinking itself. Thinking (and therefore reality) is becoming, not being. Reality is ours to shape through inventiveness, promptitude, creativity.

This is very dense writing here so let me see if I have the right idea. I don’t really agree with your word choice, but I assume you are posting this here for some critical evaluation of your ideas, not the writing per se.

Consciousness is a performative activity. Even perception is a performative activity, insofar as it is a type of consciousness. In fact, we are only in contact with reality to the extent that we are active and in participation with creating reality as we know it and think about it. At the most fundamental level, consciousness makes no distinctions; thought in its most pure form is unified and cohesive with everything that there is. Reality, as a complete and total thing, unfolds and is shaped by consciousness at a broad level. 

That’s what I got from it. My first thought is that you are proposing a form of panpsychism. It’s the idea that consciousness is a fundamental aspect of reality. Not that electrons are conscious in the same way as humans, but that they possess some kind of internal experience. I’m leaning towards this idea myself, although I think I would use different words than you. I think you are mistaken to suggest that Rand and Eastern philosophy treats thought as something seen by consciousness. In my estimation, it’s more like they recognize the special power of conceptual consciousness that is aware of itself. They probably both underappreciate what non-conceptual consciousness could be, though. 

What you wrote here also made me think about how Aristotle got at his immovable mover. If you’re familiar with what he wrote on that, is your thinking in a similar direction, or what is different from what he was getting at?

14 hours ago, Eiuol said:

What you wrote here also made me think about how Aristotle got at his immovable mover. If you’re familiar with what he wrote on that, is your thinking in a similar direction, or what is different from what he was getting at?

Great question. The act (ενέργεια) of Aristotle and scholastic philosophy is also pure thinking (in the context of the Prime Mover), with a significant difference: it is distinct from our own human thinking. This contrasts with the act I’m referring to, which is identical with our thinking.

14 hours ago, Eiuol said:

My first thought is that you are proposing a form of panpsychism.

According to the present theory, reality is processual in nature—ongoing development. This means there is no “space” or “time” per se, but rather an active performing of spatializing and temporalizing. If we forget this and treat the multiplicity of objects comprising Nature as something “positive” (i.e., existing independently of the thought-process), we encounter the classical metaphysical puzzles.

For example, treating multiplicity as factum rather than act-in-progress leads to viewing every object as devoid of reality, as just a name for another object. This is hinted at by my pillow example, which is just a name or label for feathers (a popular stuffing) plus cotton (the pillowcase). Look at one feather, and you see it’s just a label for two distinct types of keratin. This leads to a “crisis of emptiness,” where objects seem to be devoid of essence or reality, akin to the Eastern concept of śūnyatā.

Democritus posits atoms as the ultimate constituents, beyond which there is nothing to analyze further. But this does not solve any metaphysical conundrum, because “emptiness” goes both ways. Not only is keratin just a name/label for cysteine and some other amino acids, but keratin itself never appears as such; it always takes on the appearance of something else: nails, hair, feathers, thorns etc. We cannot simply posit a magical object (the Democritean atom) that smooths things out: either unity is just the unity of parts, or unity is absolute—you can’t have both at the same time.

Modern science now abstracts attributes from entities and treats them as fundamental realities. Just as I might abstract length from a pen, physics abstracts “mass” and “energy” from things, positing mass-energy as the central explanatory model for everything. But even mass and energy are not “absolute”—they are relational or structural concepts, dependent on context, interaction, and reference frames.

Now, according to our philosophical perspective, these paradoxes are just the symptom of a methodological error: treating “things” as something not fixed by thought, but simply “fixed” as such. When grappling with śūnyatā, we are not discovering the “emptiness” of the object; we are simply discovering the performative nature of thought itself. Space is the “I” spatializing itself—that is, making itself concrete, determinate— by defining itself in terms of something, as we defined the pillow earlier. This is an indefinite process, akin to counting but always having more numbers to count if we so desire.

Panpsychism, then, contains a kernel of truth because it sees matter as ultimately spiritual. But Nature is not where spirit can be found. Nature is merely a stage in the process through which self-consciousness is continually being realized.

In this model, thinking “sees” itself in the production of some object, akin to the cogito. That is, thought posits its object in order to see itself in this positing act. I have shown how what we call Galileo’s theory is just our present reconstructing of it; that what we call our past thoughts is merely the present recollecting of them; that when we debate someone, we are really debating ourselves—one “side” of the soul positing our personal theory, while the other reconstructs (what we guess might be) the other person’s theory. Even when we are just “observing” reality, we are spatializing and temporalizing ourselves. The insight that only present thought exists (and indeed, that thought is present experience) is not a mere technicality—it is crucial for understanding thinking as self-consciousness.

The upshot of this view is that, yes, we view the objects we think about as distinct from the thinking which thinks them; but by now we already know enough to see that even the category of “object-hood” is a kind of relation; an object is not an object “absolutely” but is constituted as such in a process (self-consciousness). For example, the history of philosophy (a factum) exists insofar as it is dissected, developed etc. by present thought in order to solve some contemporary problem. My physical body (a factum) exists insofar as I am using it in some form, not merely observing it. This deeply reframes Rand’s observation that mind doesn’t “control” reality. The rest of Nature is not distinct from our own body. Under the Democritean view, we can simply “pluck” an element (an atom) from the whole and, lo, all the others are just fine. But in the present view, which sees objects as processual interrelationships, removing a single atom from Nature will make everything evaporate into nothingness. So yes, mind does control reality, because Nature is the spatializing and temporalizing of the soul itself. Nature is not the soul’s punishment (as the Gnostics say) but a stage in its realization.

Now, let’s see what this means for panpsychism. It is true that Nature appears to be ordered according to a “Ladder of consciousness,” ranging from less conscious beings to more conscious ones. Flowers, for instance, can detect light through photoreception, gravity through gravitropism, etc. More conscious than a plant is the animal, and more conscious than any animal is the human being. At first glance, this might seem to suggest that absolutely all of Nature (not just parts of it) is designed to somehow objectify thought itself.

But, as we saw, self-consciousness is the cogito: thought seeing itself in the process of engaging with objects, not something that sees itself in those objects. And therefore, panpsychism’s insistence on seeing every object as a “representation” of consciousness is misplaced. Space, time and their synthesis (causality) are theoretical principles. But the existence of other “I’s” cannot be explained by mere theoretical means—for example, by saying that self-objectification presupposes spatialization (multiplication) and that therefore one might as well posit other “I’s” around those manifold objects. No. The soul is an act, and a free one at that. Activity that has value needs its own form of alterity, in all directions: an inner voice of conscience (or “wiser self”) constantly critiquing ourselves; an outer society of souls, with whom we consult and share our insights. There is no theoretical activity that is not also practical, and vice-versa. Contra naturalism, the practical (i.e. freedom) is itself a constitutive principle of reality, it plays a role in how things are.

Thinking is not just unity, or just multiplicity, but encompasses both. Without something to unite, there is no synthesis, and without synthesis, there is no differentiation of a unity into constituents. Therefore, we cannot posit something like the spectrum of colors, or the “Ladder of increasingly-conscious beings” in an atomistic fashion. When I posit a “less conscious” rung of the ladder, I do so in tandem with all the other rungs, all the way to man—whose very presence in this positing act reveals something very important: from a philosophical standpoint, the “highest” form of intellect is not the outcome, but rather the presupposition of the lower forms. Just as the “emptiness” of the feather is bi-directional (through reduction, we arrive at keratin; through reification, we arrive at nails, horns, etc.), so too does positing this Chain of Being (whether we do it like Aristotle or Darwin) presupposes the intellect proper. So, just as I contain the soul of other humans within me—when I strive to understand them, to reproduce their feelings and thoughts in my mind—so too animals cannot be separated from the soul of humanity, as they are alive in it as manifesting expressions of itself. There is no “animal soul,” there is the soul, period.

Aristotle, who viewed particularity as the linchpin of reality, felt constrained to place form in matter. But this merely repeats the error of Platonism, which separated ideas from the thinking act in which they are realized, leading to endless debates about the interaction between universal and particular. In truth, there is no such separation. The thinking act posits this object (stressing its particularity), and it posits this object (stressing its class, kind, type). True universality is not rooted in being the archetype for something, but in being the condition of everything. This condition is thinking itself, where the relations (the differentiating of unity and the unifying of difference) are immanent.

I would say that what is generally taken as Eastern philosophy (notwithstanding the materialist branches eg Carvaka) and ‘Rand’ converge in some respects as to thinking and mind, that both can describe the ‘mechanics’ of thinking in similar terms , but their divergent ontological basis will eventually lead to incompatible conclusions.

Eastern philosophy has a different concept or understanding than what materialism considers as ‘consciousness’ , in nondualist schools consciousness is held as awareness qua awareness as opposed to a more dualistic conception of consciousness as a product of the intellect. 

Rand’s defense of the primacy of existence can only result in a strict materialist or physicalist worldview that implies a substance dualism, whereas the ‘refined’ eastern schools of non duality consider consciousness and existence univocally.

It can look like a kind of panpsychism, although panpsychism itself is a dualistic notion or comes from a dualistic worldview. Essentially a grasping for a non duality without ‘letting go’ of the idea of physicality of ‘objects’ or ‘existential-ality’. Eg , if consciousness is all pervading , electrons must ‘have’ ‘some’ type or kind of awareness ‘in’ ‘them’.

 

10 hours ago, KyaryPamyu said:

The insight that only present thought exists (and indeed, that thought is present experience) is not a mere technicality—it is crucial for understanding thinking as self-consciousness.

Are you saying that the only kind of thought that exists its present thought, or that all of existence is present thought? 

10 hours ago, KyaryPamyu said:

So yes, mind does control reality, because Nature is the spatializing and temporalizing of the soul itself. Nature is not the soul’s punishment (as the Gnostics say) but a stage in its realization.

To me it doesn’t seem like you are saying that Mind is something above or transcending Nature, but that Nature is equivalent to Mind - such that everything is a unity even if some of that unity experiences itself as uniquely independent. On the other hand, maybe you are saying that Mind transcends Nature, so all that there really is, is Mind instantiating itself? 

On 6/2/2025 at 5:10 AM, Eiuol said:

Are you saying that the only kind of thought that exists its present thought, or that all of existence is present thought? 

If we want to understand Nature truly, we have to “think outside the box” a little. We can’t know in advance what taking a counterintuitive approach will yield, so in the spirit of science, we experiment to see what—if anything—emerges from it. Now, the first thing we tend to think of when we hear the word Nature is matter. So, the bold and counterintuitive approach is to start not with matter, but with thinking itself.

Upon investigating, we find that we hold a certain presupposition—namely, that “thinking” can be a natural fact. Galileo’s thoughts are facts, and so is everyone’s past thinking. But, through a bit of rigor, we come to see that “thinking” does not actually exist in Nature. In the material world, we can maybe find some books and libraries, or spoken strings of vowels and consonants, but those are not instances of “thinking.” In fact, the only thinking we’ll ever know, stricto sensu, is our own private thinking. Initially, we only perceive objects and persons (or animals), not thinking. But we come to project facts about our intimate mind onto those external realities. Our thought starts to go outside of itself, pretending to be located in someone else’s skull. It is thinking interacting with an alter that, at the bottom, is in fact always its own self.

We now have the right to ask: what is it that makes me view Galileo’s thinking as a natural fact, as solid and real as a truck rushing toward me? Our present inquiry has revealed that, at least in one case, alterity (the feeling that something is factual and objective, independent of the thinking subject) is produced by the thinking subject itself. What we may call alterity or otherness is an indigenous power of thought itself.

But the inquiry cannot stop there. What if thinking could not know itself at all unless it encountered itself in a special form—such as someone’s lips voicing vowels and consonants, or some ink patterns in a book? After all, it is precisely those lips and ink-patterns that have led everyone on Earth to hold the illusion that their personal reconstructions of someone else’s thoughts are somehow truly external to their own thinking activity.

If this suspicion is true, then the products of the mind—artworks, external deities, and (if adventurous) Nature as a whole—are crutches, necessary moments through which thought becomes able to regard itself as something. In ordinary, everyday consciousness, I am not aware that Objectivism is just the theory I’ve constructed in my own mind and projected outwardly on a historical being called Ayn Rand. In philosophical consciousness, however, as soon as I see that alterity is an indigenous power of thought, I start to suspect that thought-produced alterity is alterity as such – indeed, the only alterity consciousness can have. The process of confirming this suspicion requires much toil.

For the present purposes, this should suffice to answer the question about the status of the world. Nature is the opposite of mind’s unity and activity, which translates into multiplicity and substantiality. Without this stage (or moment, whatever words you prefer), thinking could not regard itself as something_._ Not that thinking could ever be found in Nature, but rather that this “other” we call Nature facilitates thought’s ability to consider itself as a reality.

So, strictly speaking, mind is not Nature, not if you abstract Nature from the ongoing process through which self-consciousness is being realized. The way you put it, that “all that there really is, is Mind instantiating itself” is the better course, so long as you don’t reify the mind into a substance or thing.

Does this see thinking as ‘a’ doing with thoughts as product? And what if any distinction is being made between thinking and mind?

8 hours ago, tadmjones said:

Does this see thinking as ‘a’ doing with thoughts as product? And what if any distinction is being made between thinking and mind?

Good (and complicated) questions. According to this theory, “thinking” is the same as being aware of yourself—what philosophers call self-consciousness. But this kind of awareness doesn’t happen instantly or automatically. It happens through a process.

Now, is a distinction being made between “thinking” and “mind”? No. The theory claims that the Subject-Object poles do not exist per se. They only come to exist when the act of thinking creates the object (body), then separates itself from the object by calling itself the “soul” of the body. The subject-object poles are established dynamically, in act. They are not pre-existent.

Since you are interested in Advaita, let us see how this philosophy differs. In Advaita, thinking is a function of the mind (manas and buddhi), which in turn is part of the subtle body (sūkṣma śarīra). This mind is not the Self—it is illuminated by the Self, much like the moon reflects the sun’s light. The Self is that which remains unchanged in the midst of the manifold sensations, feelings and thoughts that come and go. The present theory, however, is more in the vein of the unity of apperception. Kant said that our sense of being a stable “I” comes from the fact that our mind actively pulls together all our thoughts and perceptions into one experience. This unifying activity is what creates the iron steadiness of the self. In other words, the changeless “I” is not a thing behind the scenes—it’s an ongoing accomplishment.

Now, there’s a bit of a paradox here. Both philosophies claim that their principle (for Advaita, consciousness; for this theory, pure thinking) cannot be known as an object. How, then, does Advaita know that consciousness exists? And how do we know that thinking exists?

The answer is that if our concept of “knowing” is restricted to looking at an object, then neither consciousness nor the thinking act could ever be known (because they are not objects). I have already shown how the thinking act, being so ubiquitous, is the last place the philosopher usually looks at. Just the same with consciousness. And yet, we know that we think, and we know that we’re conscious.

This present theory is a radicalized form of the cogito: we are conscious because we think, and without thinking, we cannot be conscious at all. This claim will not be understood if “thinking” is taken to mean “speaking in one’s head.” No. Any mental activity is a form of thinking, whether it be directing our legs when walking, dreaming at night, trying to understand something, controlling where our attention goes, so on and so forth. Those who claim to have stopped compulsively thinking (as a sign of spiritual advancement) must surely eat once in a while, move around, and make choices throughout their day.

I am not claiming that we are conscious of everything we think. In fact, my thesis throughout this thread was that immediate conscious experience is constituted through various acts of thinking that happen in the background without normally being noticed. So, to restate the theory in a clear and succinct form: thinking and self-consciousness are coextensive.

Ahamkara or ego , the sense of “I-ness” is one of four components of mind ‘the inner instrument’ or Antahkarana: manas (thinking, or lower mind), buddhi (the intellect or higher mind ) , ahamkara (the ego , I-ness or identification with mind body complex) and chitta(consciousness, memory).

As a budding Advaitin I concur with what the theory holds , though I think a stipulation of what the genesis of self consciousness, ie thinking , reveals is small ‘s’ self not capital ‘S’ Self as in Atman. 
An (even your own) ego can be an object to consciousness, ‘ego death’ or dissolution of the ego is the understanding that the Self is not the mind or body. It is an (The) understanding that identification of the Self with the ahamkara is mistaken.

The discriminating aspect of the buddhi is to be used to ‘stop the compulsive’ thinking that the Self is nothing other than the ego. We need an ego to direct the direction of the fork :slight_smile:

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Thinking is not directly known. You can only know thinking reflexively—by intentionally redirecting your attention away from what you’re thinking about toward the act through which you are thinking it. One of philosophy’s most persistent delusions is to describe consciousness as split between a thinker and a director of focus. This is a ruse, a spook we’ve come to accept. The directing of focus is the thinking act itself.

To restate more plainly: what we believe we “see” when we turn attention toward thinking (because thinking is usually submerged in its object) is, well, thinking itself. Obvious, right? But it’s not that simple. What appears when we attend to “thinking” is a mirage. As in certain misreadings of quantum mechanics, the “thinking” we observe pops into existence as we look—it wasn’t there before. It never was. It came into existence when it was observed. To my knowledge, this principle was first formalized by Fichte.

Now, how can thinking “look” at anything? Is it an eye? A set of eyes? Traditionally, thinking is framed as passive: it receives material from elsewhere (sense or perception), then conceptualizes and organizes that material. The “looking” is not done by thinking, but by something else.

To challenge this idea is no easy task. We have to rethink the prevailing theories about the Subject-Object distinction.

  • In atomism , there are discrete objects: a banana, a watch, and a Subject. Remove the Subject—banana and watch remain. Remove the watch—banana remains. This is the default object-centered ontology, echoed in Objectivism.
  • In relational ontology , Subject and Object are co-dependent. If the Knower doesn’t know anything, then he is not truly a Knower. If the Known is not known by anyone, then it is not truly the Known. Subject and Object cannot exist in isolation from each other. But even this does not entail idealism. Schopenhauer, for instance, accepted this mutual dependence yet insisted on a thing in itself—the Will—transcending knowledge. He explicitly rejected Fichtean idealism, which equated Will with Subjectivity. No, he warned: beyond knowledge there is a thing in itself.
  • Enter the co-emergent framework. Here we go further. We directly challenge the notion that Relating presupposes Relata, and that Relata presupposes Relating. What is related arises in the relating of it. Before the terms were related, they didn’t exist. When they were related, they popped into existence. Utterly nonsensical, but metaphysics is not for those who want to play it cool or safe.

Let’s see how this relates to the identity relation, A=A. If the Object did not depend on thinking, it would simply be a plain “A” (unmediated object). But thinking continuously disentangles itself from this A, a process that can be schematized as A=¬A. In ordinary language, this means that the soul is not identical with the body. The mismatch arises because thinking wretches itself away from the body, asserting its independence from it. The identity relation (A=A) completes this, relating the object to itself (the body = the body). It’s therefore a restating of the previous principle, this time stressing the identicality of the body with the body, rather than with the soul.

Why bring this up? Because if thinking is the sole reality, then logic (a function of thinking) dictates how things are thought. Logic coincides with metaphysics. So we are moving past Schopenhauer, who simply recorded the fact that there’s a Subject and an Object, never inquiring about their ground. But what we have so far is just the lower case “self” and the body (Nature). What about consciousness itself?

Suppose you come to grasp a philosophical concept. Is it Brahman who grasps it? At first glance, we might say no. Brahman is said to be changeless. Grasping something implies change—an act of becoming affected. Therefore, Brahman cannot grasp in the usual sense. Instead, Brahman is simply and serenely observing the act of grasping. He does not participate in it directly.

If that’s true, then Brahman does not feel this grasping. For him, the grasping remains an amorphous, indeterminate nothing. Being nothing, it doesn’t penetrate Brahman—it doesn’t alter or affect him. Brahman remains immune to the whippings of feeling, because it never touches him.

Now, suppose this grasping is something definite, like a vivid “Aha!” Now it is no longer a neutral nothing—it is a distinct event. If Brahman is aware of it, then the feeling has penetrated him. And thus Brahman has changed.

Let me put this differently. If we try to separate Observ__ing from Feeling, we can most certainly do so, in our human thought. But this is a man-made separation. In truth, observing is the act of feeling, and vice-versa. This is true non-dualism, it seems to me.

We could say that consciousness is the light that illuminates thought, but, with equal plausibility, we could also say that thinking is light in which objects are already immanent. I have no reason to suspect otherwise, unless I engage in a deliberate effort to separate the two by appealing to empirical examples (e.g. light illuminating room) to elucidate something that cannot, in principle, be the same as in the natural world.

What do you mean by Brahman and why do we need such a concept?

 

Satyam, jnanam, anatam Brahma

satcitananda

Existence Consciousness unlimitedness Brahma 

Sanskrit hocus pocus.

 

 

Advaita is even more radical , I am therefore I am. Taking the most skeptical aspect of Decartes’ cogito and answering or finding the base in undeniable experience, in one’s own undeniable existence.

Tat tvam asi, (thou art that) is the essence of Vedanta, the undeniable fact of awareness implies that awareness is the ‘only’ ‘existent’. 

On 6/6/2025 at 11:08 PM, Doug Morris said:

What do you mean by Brahman and why do we need such a concept?

The present theory challenges the common assumption that change and eternity are mutually exclusive. To be eternal does not mean to be inert or changeless; it means to stand outside of time — not frozen, but fully actual. The confusion between eternity and immobility is exemplified in Parmenidean “Being,” and also in non-dualist Vedānta, where Brahman is understood as a changeless, featureless absolute. I reference the latter to contrast it with the metaphysical position proposed in this discussion, one that is fundamentally different. Neither theory is a veritas aeterna; their purpose is to spark independent thought and insight.

2 hours ago, tadmjones said:

Advaita is even more radical , I am therefore I am.

It depends on what you mean by “radical.” The phrases “I am therefore I am” and “I am that I am” are foundational for some thinkers of German Idealism, but they carry meanings quite distinct from the one you seem to be putting forth. Crucially, their significance lies in the idea that these statements are not true until they are actively affirmed. In this context, the “being” in question is neither a substance or entity that affirms, nor an object about which affirmation is made. Rather, the being is the act of affirmation itself.

This view makes being synonymous with self-affirmation: to be is to affirm being. It’s not that there’s a thing that affirms — the affirmation is the thing. In that sense, this is mind as causa sui ipsius, mind as self-causing and requiring nothing for its being.

Compare this to Advaita Vedanta. If Brahman is conceived simply as a pre-existent, absolute being — like Ayn Rand’s notion of ‘existence’ — then it doesn’t go any further than Rand’s quip: ‘I exist, therefore I’ll think.’ That is, it merely flips the order of things without fundamentally changing the structure: consciousness becomes a being that ‘is,’ rather than recognizing ‘being’ as an activity or event of knowing.

I suggest, with humility, that knowing is inherently intelligent. Even the simplest sensation carries a form of intelligence—it is_ _meaning itself.


Given the range of ideas explored so far, it may help to restate the core argument in a more accessible and illustrative way.

Imagine opening a video editor. Along the bottom of the screen is a timeline — a strip of linked moments, each frame equally present and accessible. This, metaphorically, is how we ought to understand time: not as a river flowing irreversibly from past to future, but as a totality available to present thought in a single conceptual glance. Philosophical systems from centuries ago — Kant’s, for instance — are not locked away in the past; they are one side of this abstract timeline. This timeline is a form of thought, and therefore must serve a purpose. What purpose?

The process of thinking involves an interplay between preserving what was thought, and referring back to it. Like storing money in a vault or saving video-game progress on a hard drive, thought must preserve itself according to an internal logic. The immediate act of thinking sediments itself into a persisting, solid ground: brain structures, written texts, cultural institutions. These are the fossils of thought — its material afterlife. Matter, in this light, is not the opposite of thought, but its deferred form, its memory bank. Thought is dynamic and unfolding; matter is its imprint.

Realism rightly holds that everything originates in experience — in perception, observation, and fact. Idealism completes the picture by showing that thought is recursive: it folds back over itself, preserving and reinterpreting its content. Without this internal architecture, thought could never come to know itself. The world that exists prior to thinking is ultimately ossified thought.

Realism falters when it imagines the mind as a tabula rasa. In truth, thought is not a straight line but a spiral. It reworks its own results and climbs higher with each revolution. This spiraling movement is enabled by the “petrification” of thought — the fact that thought, once living, becomes stored in a persisting form. This frozen residue — what we call Nature — is not a burden but the material through which reflection advances.

This ongoing movement — thought coming to know itself — underlies many human activities:

  • Artistic creation  abstracts away from the moment of crystallization and focuses only on the creative nature of thought. That is, although art might use material from Nature, that’s only a means to an end. The explicit purpose of the activity is to show off creative chops. Through this activity, thought acquaints itself with its specifically creative aspect.

  • Religion  abstracts away from human thought and focuses on its crystallization. It sees thought not as what happens in the human heart, but as a kind of order circulating through Nature — for example, a cosmic intellect that prevents things from falling into chaos. This mysterious Mind has the final say in the destinies of men, making it a source of both fear and awe.

  • Science lies between Art and Religion, sharing commonalities with both.

  • Philosophy is the attempt to view things from within the whole, abstracting nothing from it.

Our present theory is philosophical. For it, the “given” (Nature) is the save-point of thought, something you can return to or ground yourself in. But we return to it only because we are advancing. Reality is not a finished product but an ongoing act: thought discovering itself in and through its own attempts to understand. Thought that does not strive to be proactive and inventive, rather than a mere mechanical repetition of established routines, does not yet grasp its nature.

Here is the reversal everything has been building toward: thought does not arise from the world — the world is what thought leaves behind. Aristotle is not merely the man who lived millennia ago. He never truly died. He is here, still thinking — through us, in us — as we engage with his ideas. This is not a poetic claim, but a literal one. The personality of a past figure is not lost in abstraction; it always was an abstraction. So too is the ‘I’ who reads him. The self that sees Aristotle as a distant other is just another pole in the very thought that creates the distance. That act of thought is the Eternal—the never born that cannot end.

15 hours ago, KyaryPamyu said:

The present theory challenges the common assumption that change and eternity are mutually exclusive. To be eternal does not mean to be inert or changeless; it means to stand outside of time — not frozen, but fully actual. The confusion between eternity and immobility is exemplified in Parmenidean “Being,” and also in non-dualist Vedānta, where Brahman is understood as a changeless, featureless absolute. …

Compare this to Advaita Vedanta. If Brahman is conceived simply as a pre-existent, absolute being — like Ayn Rand’s notion of ‘existence’ — then it doesn’t go any further …

Here is the reversal everything has been building toward: thought does not arise from the world — the world is what thought leaves behind. Aristotle is not merely the man who lived millennia ago. He never truly died. He is here, still thinking — through us, in us — as we engage with his ideas. This is not a poetic claim, but a literal one. The personality of a past figure is not lost in abstraction; it always was an abstraction. So too is the ‘I’ who reads him. The self that sees Aristotle as a distant other is just another pole in the very thought that creates the distance. That act of thought is the Eternal—the never born that cannot end.

Your last paragraph , especially the final sentence has me confused as to how this theory is different from Advaita Vedanta. But I think the difference stems from a perhaps mistaken conception of what is meant by Brahman. In nondualism Brahman isn’t ‘capable’ of being described or understood as a thing , it is the ultimate non thing , the ‘property’ of Is-ness , Rand in contradiction ‘traps’ Is-ness as only ‘actual’ existents. Similarly, a conception of Brahman as ‘a’ Anything , a god-ish object , or an ultimate state or substrate misses the point that just as awareness qua awareness can not be an object , but as this theory illustrates can appear to itself as an object , does not mean it can ‘exist’ as an object separate from itself. 
Brahman appears as the universe , but the universe is not Brahman. You are Brahman, tat tvam asi.

3 hours ago, tadmjones said:

In nondualism Brahman isn’t ‘capable’ of being described or understood as a thing , it is the ultimate non thing , the ‘property’ of Is-ness , Rand in contradiction ‘traps’ Is-ness as only ‘actual’ existents.

As I see it, “thingness” isn’t primarily about substance, but about whether something is a pre-existing reality. Brahman is a fundamental state of awareness that is always there, changeless and silent. But in my view, that awareness is not there, it is putting itself forward, coming-to-be, flowing into being. The Pure Act is like a Brahman that swims to stay afloat. I see Advaita as deriving joy from the is-ness of experience, whereas this theory sees experience as the joy of eternal conquest.

1 hour ago, KyaryPamyu said:

As I see it, “thingness” isn’t primarily about substance, but about whether something is a pre-existing reality. Brahman is a fundamental state of awareness that is always there, changeless and silent. But in my view, that awareness is not there, it is putting itself forward, coming-to-be, flowing into being. The Pure Act is like a Brahman that swims to stay afloat. I see Advaita as deriving joy from the is-ness of experience, whereas this theory sees experience as the joy of eternal conquest.

An Advaitin may say that what this theory points to then is not going to recognized as non dual , as conquest implies desire which implies a lack of oneness.

1 hour ago, tadmjones said:

An Advaitin may say that what this theory points to then is not going to recognized as non dual , as conquest implies desire which implies a lack of oneness.

My response to the Advaitin returns to the same point: the object is Spirit frozen in place.

Spirit is intelligibility — not something opposed to the object, but something that moves through it. The object, the “thing,” is Spirit mid-motion: thought stopped, solidified, preserved. But Spirit doesn’t leave it behind. It returns, reclaims, and overcomes it — and in doing so, keeps living.

Pain, error, nature — these aren’t foreign disruptions to thought. They are part of its unfolding. Error only makes sense in light of truth. Pain is what shouldn’t be — which already points to the fact that it can be changed. Nature is thought made rigid, a memory in external form. Spirit grows by going back to what it made, reviving it, and going beyond it.

This is why self-conquest isn’t about filling a void or curing some lack. It’s not need. It’s life itself — the effort to make oneself intelligible. To “already be” is to be done, dead. True being lives in the not-yet — in becoming.

The Advaitin misses this. His Brahman doesn’t move, doesn’t strive, doesn’t become. It’s still, silent, full. But that’s the problem: it has no room for pain, no place for error, because it doesn’t need them. It treats the world’s struggle as illusion because it doesn’t see that struggle as meaningful — as the very path through which Spirit knows itself.

For the Advaitin, Brahman’s knowing is something instant — like light on a surface. But real knowing takes work. It builds, breaks, revises, resists. It isn’t a thing you have — it’s something you do. Know-ing. Spirit isn’t a passive gaze. It’s a gait — a way of walking through the world.

So when the Advaitin claims to “realize” that he is Brahman — that still, perfect being — he empties the word “realization” of its meaning. He confuses escape with insight. But pain, error, and Nature aren’t mistakes. They are how truth becomes real. We don’t reject them — we work through them. That’s what gives them value.

Real self-realization isn’t merging into a perfect stillness. It’s the ongoing effort to make sense of what we live. Enlightenment isn’t a final state. It’s a daily practice — something made, not found.

This isn’t a rejection of reality. It’s a rejection of stagnation. If there’s any illusion, it’s the illusion that life can be still. Spirit moves. Struggle isn’t a mistake. It’s the path.

You don’t think the Advaitin would see suffering as transformative? 
 

I think this theory is more inline with the Advaitin than not, especially ontologically in so far as matter is a product of consciousness and only consciousness exists in the really real.

Aristotle is only dead because that makes sense in the world of name and form in which ‘we’ live. The consciousness that ‘was’ Aristotle was never born , it just is.

22 hours ago, tadmjones said:

You don’t think the Advaitin would see suffering as transformative? 

You ask if an Advaitin wouldn’t also see suffering as transformative. Yes — but this is where the two paths diverge. For the Advaitin, suffering is like medicine: a symptom of an illness (ignorance, attachment) that, once understood, pushes the patient toward a cure. The goal is the elimination of suffering. Transformation leads to release.

This theory proposes something different. Suffering is not a flaw to be fixed but a necessary feature of self-consciousness itself. On one side lies our immediate being — the pain, the lethargy, the compulsive self-victimization. Not moral failure, but the hardened residue of past thought: the “default state.” On the other side stands the moral, intelligent act — the creative will that confronts this Goliath and steps beyond immediacy.

In this light, pain becomes the halfway point in a process — not an endpoint or a problem, but a springboard for forging a path that never previously existed. Reality, here, is not a static order to be uncovered, but an unfolding increase in being — a processual self-consciousness.

Pain, then, is not an imposition from reality, not punishment, not even providence. It is our creation — the natural consequence of self-knowledge being not discovery, but creation. We do not lift a veil to find truth waiting. We forge truth in the fire of each present-moment act. Pain, rigidity, discouragement, sadness — these are the wood for that fire.

So while I agree that both views are idealist — seeing matter as born of mind — that is a secondary concern. The true divergence is ethical. Advaita seeks escape. It offers stillness, peace, cessation. This theory finds value in the very cycle Advaita would end. Pain, here, is a moment in the transcendence of the static self — in the forging of being itself, because true being is not rest, but becoming — that is, self-consciousness in motion.

To remove pain, on this view, would be to halt self-creation itself — it would be evil. The goal is not final rest. The goal is the living: the ongoing creation of reality, of experience, of knowledge, of meaning. Enlightenment is not the destination. It is the gait — the very way we walk the path.

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The comparison reminds me of a comment from a hard core Advaitin nondualist when asked about the difference between the Vedantan purna or fullness and the Mahayana sunyata or emptiness and the answer he gave was reportedly quick and to the point , ‘different perspectives’.