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I gather English isn’t your primary language, and as written, you contradict yourself to the extent that I can’t reliably determine your meaning on a couple points.
Read again.
I said that the beginning actually makes sense, but then it just goes into a desperate dissonance.
No you didn’t. If you’re going to accuse me of careless reading, please provide a quote from your post. What did I miss?
You disapprove of “desperate dissonance”. As opposed to what, “confident, light-hearted dissonance”? As found where, in the Rachmaninov concerti?
I don't think that popularity gives any new information.
I’m recommending you listen to Prokofiev’s 3rd Piano Concerto. Have you heard it? I bring up its popularity because you are criticizing one of Prokofiev’s lesser masterpieces. Try picking on Romeo and Juliet, Cinderella, the Fifth Symphony, the “War Sonatas”, Alexander Nevsky, or Lieutenant Kijé.
Dyslexic or not, the "Muslim Sense" of music (or more correctly; oriental integration) does NOT mean
but more like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjzFq3R0qgE.I don't know about you, but to me anything it expresses (if it does) is unintelligible, incomprehensible, and I have grown in a much more eastern society than most of you.
I take this to mean you don’t like anything that isn’t based on the modern Western tuning system. It has nothing to do with Prokofiev, except that both fall in the category of music you don’t like.
"Logical" simply means "integrateable."
How much you are repeating music that fits my standard and how much it strengthens \ dismisses the enjoyment is another issue.
"Integrateable" by you. Can you accept the possibility that your ability to integrate musical data is undeveloped, or in other words, that you’re ignorant?
I’ve spent many hours listening to Indian music, and while I enjoy it, I still regard myself as ignorant in that area. I certainly wouldn’t presume to say that a particular Dhun or Raga is “evil” if I don’t like it.
Ever before I heard Rachmaninoff, Stravinsky used to be one of my favorite composers.
But I had to come to realize that the artistic standard to contain only the style is destructive.
Stravinsky, be he genius as he could, deals with evil subjects at least 50% of the time.
It’s pointless for me to attempt a substantive reply to this, the grammar is nonsensical. You claim a level of knowledge of Stravinsky’s voluminous output such that you can pass a moral judgment on 50% of it, yet you’ve never heard Prokofiev’s march from the Love of Three Oranges?
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Tchaikovsky's very first piano concerto is commonly logical, westerly logical and original and its own. Ultimately, it expresses a common, direct, realistic, honest sense of civilized joy.
In contrast, there is Prokofiev's piano concerto no. 2.
This piece makes no sense, either in the developed or in the Muslim sense.
It has nothing to be challengeably perceived, since it has nothing to perceive at all.
Even despiteful artists such as Stravinsky (who is regarded moderner than the (alleged) classicism of Prokofiev) have some admirable stylistic motives which can convince and impress a sane person.
A special trivial quality of it is the fact that, replaced by tonal-rational-enlightened-western music, it would technically (while ignoring sound as if it were a romantic music per-se, yet, when there is no such thing as 'theme' or 'composition' and all you have is quick chromatic walks, none of this in effect matters.
As to Prokofiev's subjects, presuming it DOES have any existence, they deal merely with his own inherent, primacy of consciousness assuming, emotionalist eternal anxiety,
an anxiety to be unavoidable, inalienable, metaphysical as in a Munch painting.
I appreciate Rand's musical taste a lot
The Prokofiev 2nd makes no sense? Let’s see, it starts of with an arresting, limpid melody, giving way to a pungent second subject, both developed and juxtaposed skillfully, with thrilling virtuosity displayed by the soloist. What’s not to like? His third concerto is one of the most performed pieces today, as popular as the Rachmaninov ones (2 and 3), while the second is somewhat less well known. The third was used memorably in the climax of the film The Competition, worth seeing.
Your weird invocation of “Muslim sense” reminds me of the writings of Lindsay Perigo, who is prone to statements like “Sibelius is for dyslexic empiricists”. He’s not kidding, and he’s one very silly fool posing as an Objectivist authority.
It seems you reject Prokofiev's work in toto, so I will point out, much as I dislike anything that smacks of argument from authority, that one of Ayn Rand’s favorite pieces was his march from the Love of Three Oranges, a piece she liked to play at gatherings and conduct using her cigarette holder. Beyond that one, which is a rather pungent piece, I suggest you try the Balcony scene from his ballet Romeo and Juliet, which has some of the most romantic (or is it “post-romantic”?) music ever written. I can only link two videos per post, so you’ll have to look for it yourself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWASdK3EKRk
Now, you claim the Tchaikovsky 1st is “logical”, yet it begins with a memorable, soaring melody which never recurs. Please explain the logic in that. Compare to the second movement of his First Symphony, which also has a memorable melody, but which is repeated (arguably) too many times, with little development to show for it.
Perhaps I’ll disabuse you of the notion that Stravinsky is “despiteful” if you’ll first explain what that means.
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I bet this program makes much better sense if you take a hallucinogen before watching it.
Pack a bowl, spark it, and inhale deeply, episode 2 is out! It’s all about the environmental movement, emerging out of hippie communes here on spaceship earth. One of the interludes from Britten’s Peter Grimes is the source for some of the music. I’m not through it, but there hasn’t been any Ayn Rand yet, though it is tagged so it comes up if you do a YouTube search for her. I’m starting to like the program.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjEsk2lBj8chttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTx7ahO5jLw
I loved the polyphony of ideas. As long as you don’t believe in them, the collision of two ideas-both false-can create a pleasing interval, a kind of diabolus in musica. I had no respect for some ideas people were willing to stake their lives on, but two or three ideas that I did not respect might still make a nice melody. Or have a good beat, and if it was jazz, all the better.Umberto Eco,Foucault’s Pendulum, Chapter 7, pp 49-50 -
“A few silicon valley entrepreneurs admired Ayn Rand’s philosophy
Good summary, but you left out the sex. What’s Monica Lewinsky doing in this documentary? Juxtaposed with so much discussion of Rand's sex life?
Here’s the fifth segment:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZqOVzbCpWU
I bet this program makes much better sense if you take a hallucinogen before watching it. It has that ooh-wee-ooh-wee soundtrack, I bet there’s a theremin playing somewhere.
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That looks completely insane.
It is certainly bizarre, I’m trying to watch it now more attentively, and it’s only getting stranger. There’s no denying the production values, so this isn’t some crank production, plus it went out over the BBC. I think the break out, by timing, of the material presented is about 1/3 Ayn Rand, 1/3 Bill Clinton (including too much Monica Lewinsky) and 1/3 dark hints that computers are to blame for something bad. John McCaskey appears in it, BTW.
Here are two more of the parts. It seems the forum software will only allow two links per post, so you’ll have to go hunting for part 5. Obama and Pelosi appear in part 5, so this program must be new. I'm thinking the BBC tried to put together a piece on Ayn Rand, and weren't happy with it as a standalone program, so they had interviews in the can and decided to work them in here, regardless of sense.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhsTYjXhgcg&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfYR-x_tUYs&feature=player_embedded
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Has anyone seen this before? The interviews don’t look new, particularly Nathaniel Branden looks a good bit younger than he did on the Penn & Teller show a few months back. The show is pretty weird, the Rand stuff doesn’t tie in very well with the rest of the material, and the voiceover commentary isn’t quite accurate.
Thesis: It seems the computers are taking over, and Ayn Rand’s sex life is to blame. Of course it doesn’t say that, but if you just skim the program I think that’s the impression you’ll come away with. Strange brew.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX5jImWRREc&feature=player_embeddedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnSthwB6oMo&feature=player_embedded
There are 3 more parts, the forum software won't let me link them, but they're on YouTube, seek and ye shall find.
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No-no-no, from right to left we’re looking at Medea, Jason, and Glauce.
In case any doubters remain, watch at 1:30 to see Glauce under the influence of the poisoned dress, then zap to the last minute to see Jason confront Medea. The only way you can convince me Picasso’s painting isn’t based on this film is by pointing out that he painted it about 50 years before it was made.
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First, let's give names to the characters in the painting. Let's call the female on the left "Patrecia," let's call the male "Nathaniel," let's call the female on the right "Ayn," and let's call the infant "NBI." Then let's imagine that the drawings behind "Patrecia," "Nathaniel" and "Ayn" are unfinished essays on the psychology of romantic love, and on how age differences might present an insuperable barrier to an affair between two people, and also some notes on strategies for producing a stage adaptation of The Fountainhead.
No-no-no, from right to left we’re looking at Medea, Jason, and Glauce. Glauce is naked because Medea hasn’t given her the poisoned dress yet. Some scholars believe that the dress is just out of view, and Glauce is looking at it. The “drawings” in the background are not drawings at all, they are the Furies, and they look depressed because they know big time tragedy is coming. The title, La Vie, means “Life”, making explicit that this work is the definitive statement of the artist’s sense of life. This painting is as anti-reason and trashy as anything in Euripides. QED.
The Rembrandt is closer to how I felt about the movie.
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There’s a worthwhile Village Voice article about Mamet’s ideological evolution here:
http://www.villagevoice.com/2008-03-11/news/why-i-am-no-longer-a-brain-dead-liberal/
I began reading not only the economics of Thomas Sowell (our greatest contemporary philosopher) but Milton Friedman, Paul Johnson, and Shelby Steele, and a host of conservative writers, and found that I agreed with them: a free-market understanding of the world meshes more perfectly with my experience than that idealistic vision I called liberalism.One of his best creations is the film The Edge, here’s a scene:
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Faith and Force were proven by Ayn Rand to be inseperable corallary's.
Proven? What was proven? A one to one relationship, or force is inseparable from faith, or vice versa? Perhaps a Venn diagram would be helpful here. There are radically pacifist faiths, most notably Jainism, but also Islamic Sufis and Christian Quakers, that are incompatible with force and which lack a history of resorting to it. These faiths generally don’t thrive, cultures based on them are easily conquered so to survive they generally have to coexist with others. However their history and continued existence does serve to refute the assertion that faith qua faith is inseparable from force.
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How do you conclude this from what I posted?
I asked a question, I didn’t draw a conclusion. You claim Muslim clerics can’t be trusted because they endeavor to reconcile their scriptures with “what they want Islam to be portrayed as”. This, instead of studying and then to the best of their abilities, determining what Islam teaches, then applying it to the modern world. FWIW I don’t doubt for a moment that there are some who are as dishonest as can be.
How do you?
Serious answer: I don’t. Sarcastic answer, included because I think it’s illustrative: Martin Luther and his doctrine of grace, which is essentially the Pauline view, was not honest theology. He picked his side because the Jamesian view, the true Christian way (says me), could be used to justify the sale of indulgences, and he just hate hate hated that. He got buggered by an indulgence peddling Dominican around 1500, and swore to avenge himself on the whole world (this is one of those Vatican library secrets, but even Dan Brown won’t touch it).
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I resent that someone has to have a "scholarly knowledge" of something, before making judgments. Especially if your standard of a proper evaluation of Islam, is that muslims clerics disagree. Muslim clerics are not trustworthy as an authority on Islam, because they will go out of their way to reconcile what it says in the Qu'ran, to what they want Islam to be portrayed as.
Do you believe that they do in fact agree, but some choose to disguise the truth while the others are honest? That’s a hell of a conspiracy theory.
How about an illustration, something I presume will be a bit closer to home. I assume you’re an atheist. In the context of Christian theology, do you achieve salvation by faith alone, or is faith without works not sufficient? This is a conflict within the text of the New Testament, St. Paul vs. St. James. How do you, a nonbeliever, decide? And if some nut case cites St. James as his reason for bombing an abortion clinic, and the Pope cites St. Paul for why he shouldn’t have done that, how do you decide which one is the consistent Christian?
If you take the time to study it, you’ll find that Islam has about as many theological schools of thought as Christianity. And no Pope, for better and for worse.
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I want to know from Objectivists what do you feel when you smoke marijuana.
There’s a wide range of experiences different people report. You might want to look up Carl Sagan’s piece, just to get an intellectual’s take on it. Above all, it’s not a big deal, don’t expect something life changing. It feels good, but if you do too much it puts you in a stupor. Like alcohol does, but it's a different kind of stupor. So have some favorite music ready to go, food that won’t take a lot of effort/skill to prepare (consider pizza delivery), and plan to spend a few hours relaxing on the couch.
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By now he's enjoying his celestial martyr's reward. Is it 72 virgins, or 72 white raisins? Islamic scholars debate the correct translation.
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Expect Catholics to credit this to intercession by Pope John Paul II. They just beatified him and have had his coffin out on display in Rome, with thousands of people marching past and praying. It’s a miracle!
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I now have it running through my head as an "ear worm" and for some reason I am not at all desperate to cure it.
If you’re going to have a tune stuck in your head, the Rach 2nd concerto is one of the better choices. Unlike, say, the Rach 2nd symphony, where it’s liable to morph into a nagging pop song lyric.
On a different but related subject, many have griped that Halley was left out of the movie, but I think that was a smart move. Whatever music they used for him would have had to be superlatively good, and there's no guarantee anyone would have been available to do that. More likely it would have been middlin' stuff, and half the fans of the novel would have simply seized on it as another reason to hate the movie.
I think they should have had the composer take the melody from the Mussorgsky piece that Rand liked (embedded above), and spun it out. Like Max Steiner did with “As Time Goes By” in Casablanca.
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I have always liked:
Eschew Obfuscation
Practice safe rhetoric, use a conundrum.
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So where am I getting this from? I _distinctly_ remember reading this recently.
Beats me. Of course, the finale of the Rach 2nd is referenced in The Fountainhead, maybe you’re conflating the two.
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"Superstition brings bad luck"
Raymond Smullyan
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I understand she listened to Rachmaninov's Second Concerto, third movement while writing the closing part of Atlas Shrugged
Do you have a citation? Facets of Ayn Rand by Mary Ann Sures (linked above) says something else. Also, there's a Peikoff podcast that covers the same ground, and basically agrees with her.
http://www.peikoff.com/2009/09/28/episode-081-9282009/
About 7 minutes in.
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I'm very curious about what type of music Halley's symphonies were supposed to be like. Does anyone know specifically the type of orchestra his music sounded like?
According to this (scroll to the bottom of the page): http://facetsofaynrand.com/book/chap7.html
the music she had in mind for Halley's fifth concerto (no symphonies mentioned) was this, presumably without the singing:
CNN Bans Gary Johnson from NH Debate
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Gary Johnson made a good impression on me here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZ_Udfhkr-k
Ron Paul is too old to be elected President, whatever your evaluation of him is.