Robin James
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I read the post above mine, I cordially fail to make sense of it.
I agree with your initial premises Amaroq.
Therefore, America and fundamentalist Muslims are fighting each other for antithetical values.
Victory for America means the success of our values and the destruction of fundamentalist Muslim values.
Defeat for America means the destruction of our values and the success of fundamentalist Muslim values.
At this point I disagree. First of all you divide America (Set A) and Fundamentalist Muslims (Set B ) as two distinct sets when anyone will agree these two collude.
Secondly “America” as a set is to large to have a specific goal. To many elements with far to many needs and wants and ways of obtaining them. And you cannot agree that Fundamentalist Muslim Americans want the destruction of Fundamentalist Muslim values. And neither does the US Military. Their goal as I see it is compromise whenever possible, and protection from terrorist attacks at all times. Which may or may not be a correct plan of action. Nevertheless.
Premises:
-At the site of a battle or attack, if a concrete symbol of one side's values is placed there, the context of its placement makes it a symbol of victory for the side whose values are symbolized by it.
-Ground Zero was the site of an attack by fundamentalist Muslims against America.
-A mosque is a concrete symbol of Muslim values. (Fundamentalist or otherwise.)
Again I agree with your premises but disagree with your sets. The attackers of our forces have many times demonstrated that they have no difficulty destroying the purported symbols of their own faith. A Mosque is quite often a target of their aggression. A Mosque near ground zero is a symbol of Muslim values but not a symbol of our aggressors’ victory. More then less it is a symbol of our ability to coexist.
Does the building of a Roman Catholic church signify agreement with all of its vast and sometimes antagonistic values? Must you agree that the sexual deviance of certain priests is proper before building one? Must every Protestant Christian praise the bombing of abortion centers before building a church?
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Often time though people chat (like me) without the intention of specifically talking about Objectivism but rather for the the enjoyment of talking with objectivists.
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I am confused as to why building a mosque is morally wrong.
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This is what happens when you switch to an entirely symbolic monetary system.
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I've always thought that this turns government into a sort of enlarged private protection/safety/standards company. Is that correct? I mean you pay for a guard if you have something valuable, now you help pay for an army. You did before but that was different as you never really had that money at all. Now you voluntarily give that money for your protection. It seems unstable. What happens when a threshold is crossed and there is not enough funds to adequately protect? Besides the national deficit, which I assume does not exist in this scenario.
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It seems like a question of value. Obviously if most of us found a child alone we would care much more about returning him to his guardians then if we found a penny. We place an assumed value based on what we think the owner thinks something is worth. Maybe that coin was a rare coin. Maybe the man who lost it was given it by his dying mum. Maybe its a family heirloom.
But I think the only thing we have to go on is our best guess as to the value of what we have found.
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Hey I'm Robin James. Huge fan of the forum. Used to share an account with my friend on here, years ago.
NYC Mosque: Respect Property Rights
in The Objectivism Meta-Blog Discussion
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So to defend yourself against the symbolic support of our enemies you are willing to deny non-violent citizens of America their rights?