That is a very good point.
Doesn’t that answer itself?
Questions: what did you do from 2004 to 2008 to prevent an Obama from becoming president? And what are you going to do from 2008 to 2012 to prevent an Obama from being reelected?? I don’t know what you did '04-'08, but it sounds like you plan on doing less and expecting more.
That’s horrible thinking. There’s isn’t a whole lot of reason to believe that “dear leader” will be stepping down in four years. It sounds to the jaded ear like you’re waiting for “the perfect moment” to start your business.
no it doesn’t answer itself, because doing what i plan on doing, as a willing non-participant is like a pacifist being a photographer or medic in the war. i have no choice the way i see it. it’s either to A: go get a 9-5 and contribute much more in taxes than i can stand, B: go start a business doomed to fail under the crushing economic bullshit the libs intend to impose on business owners, or C: become a drag on the system i despise. i can either let them destroy me, or i can do my part to destroy them.
if i choose C then i’m confronted with yet another set of options. A: get into politics to bring it down from that angle, B: go all nuts and psycho and get extremist about it and do something violent, or C: just walk away from it and not give them anything to take while taking from them.
well i’d never make it in politics due to a lot of reasons (past drug use, criminal history, propensity to curse like a drunken sailor), and i’m not a violent person so i could never flip out and get all radical like some of obama’s buddies did back in the 60’s and 70’s.
so again…i’m left with C
what have i done from 2004-2008 to “stop” obama? not a damn thing. i worked my ass off every day 40-50 hours a week, i have put together a venue to start a business or two, i paid off my car, i paid off my credit cards, and i went on as usual hoping my fellow citizens wold never be stupid enough to vote for an admitted socialist.
yet here we are.
what i plan on doing from 08-12 if the worst happens? well i’d imagine i’d do everything i could to encourage my fellow like-minded americans to follow suit and to go on strike with me. might even make a website or print up some “on strike till 2012 stickers”…
not sure.
but i damn sure don’t want to bust my ass to have my hard work and dedication leached off of for the next 4 years.
i’d love to start a business, but whats the point when i’m going to be punished for my success? the more i prosper and grow, the harder they begin to punch me in the face.
That’s just as irrational an idea as Tim McVeigh had: You live in the greatest country that ever existed, how is it a good idea to try and destroy it?
If you disagree, please name a better one, and of course that’s the end of the conversation since you can simply move there and live happily ever after.
If everyone reacted the way you are reacting during the time this place was a british colony, where would America and the world be now?
Is the country taking a step backward? Sure, but the situation is in no way hopeless: most of the people are not actually hurdling down the wrong path, they are just lost, and looking for a good idea.
thats a crock. i’m in no way advocating violence. i would never do what those radical nut jobs did. some taxes are necessary…police, fire, sanitation, other infrastructure…but to take from the ability of me to provide to the need of others is wrong.
so they can’t take from me anymore, screw em. maybe if a lot of people took up this cause it would show the country that the democrat ways are wrong for america. and this could inspire a true conservative to rise up and take it all back.
they’ve already begun to attack those who speak out against them. the media has attacked joe the plumber, they attack sarah palin, they’ve even gone as far as to publish the names and addresses of people who vote against gay marriage in california. today they’ve announced that they kicked 3 news agencies off the tour because they take pro-republican stances on certain issues.
talk radio is finished…the necromancers are resurrecting the fairness doctrine as we speak.
whats left for those with a free mind? we can’t listen to people who disagree with obama, the news is basically an obama campaign front, and people who do speak out against them get harassed and threatened.
so…back to my plan. sit back, hurt the system anyway i can, and have discussions like this for the next 4 years till people get the point. nothing will drive this point home more than when their precious little social programs are so underfunded…the only choice is to ruin the business that keep this country running.
either that or some sort of Wiemar republic/Zimbabwe type economy where poor people are millionaires and loafs of bread cost what a nice dinner costs now.
I agree with this and I’ll add that I live in Britain which it’s safe to say is worse off politically and economically than the United States; yet people still grow rich and happy here. The situation in reality is not as bad as the situation in Atlas Shrugged. America has beaten British imperialism, fascism and communism; all of which seemed to be unstoppable at the time.
Perhaps you should consider your problems from a psychological perspective: are you using Obama to rationalise your personal insecurities about starting a business?
nope. i could start the business tommorrow. but my business partner feels the same way. he’s not risking any money during an obama economy. the fact is we hoped to make more than 250k per year. hell we’d like to do that per month. but why do it? why create yet another avenue for stealing peoples money? i’ll just go right ahead and wait it out…not the whole time…it’ll take probably a year before we start making big money, so i might wait till like early 2012 to start the business…by the time we get going obama will be gone. no way people will make this mistake twice. his plan is suicide. so i hope to be ready to go just after the 2012 election. if McCain wins i’ll just co ahead and have it started within a few months. if not…there’s no freaking way i’d set myself up for that kind of pain and suffering at the hands of a socialist with ties to domestic terrorists, racist seperatist religious leaders, criminals, and communists.
The proper attitude to take is that no one – especially not some politician like Obama – is going to stop you from achieving your goals. If you really have a passion for the work you do, than sacrificing four years of your working life would be unbearable torture. As long as you can still achieve a net gain you should continue working. If you’re trying to be some martyr to an “Atlas Shrugged type” strike you will accomplish nothing. No one will notice and no one will care. Be selfish. Keep working.
nah. i’m looking to get out of the work i did all together. i’m bored with it, looking for something new. i’m looking for that passion. if it takes me 4 years to find it then all the better for me, and that much worse for the moochers, looters and leachers.
in my off time i’ll most likely do construction work under assumed names under the table, or work for friends in their business the same way. can’t tax that. i’d probaly work a few deals out on my own with a off the books retail type business selling goods to people i know.
i’ll accomplish plenty. i’ll be tax free and making money. all the while refusing to contribute to the corrupt system that will be further corrupted by the messiah.
Okay, that’s good. But setting aside the basic roof-and-food questions, what it is that you do with your mind to survive? Chemical engineering, carpentry, stock trading, retail sales, Italian fooking, writing books… all of these come to mind as things you might do. You don’t have to 'fess up in detail, but here’s an example. Me, I got interested in a particular kind of scientific research some decades ago, so that has defined my central purpose in life, and my various choices as to what to do are centered around that particular interest. So what exactly could I do to spite these socialists? I could decide to stop producing stuff, quit my day job, end my research, teaching and writing, and get a job flipping burgers. But that would be a huge sacrifice: I would be giving up something of vastly greater value, and getting what in return? Some miserable feeling of the type “at least they won’t be enjoying the benefits of my productivity”. “At least my income will be decimated and I won’t be giving them much tax money”. OTOH I really love my new Xterra, which you can’t buy on a burgerman’s wages. So for me, I just cannot see the upside of dropping out just because the next president will be more liberal that the last one.
nono…i don’t advocate flipping burgers. i mean quit it all. i’ll continue with my life as is as far as i’m concerned, as far as obama is concerned, i’ll be a happy little sheep getting turned down for job after job presenting myself as a huge worthless idiot not worthy of employment. extend my unemployment to it’s fullest, get on welfare, maybe grab a little chunk of this nice little bailout floating around. hell maybe i should hurry up and buy a house i can’t afford then cry foul when the bills start coming in.
in other words…behave like an obama supporter. like a fledgling bird awaiting momma to fly into the nest and puke some chewed up worms down my gullet for sustenance.
mmmmm, worms.
they don’t need to know i’m hiding a nice rib-eye under my wing.
screw em.
Don’t go there. We’ll hunt you down mercilessly.
I also don’t advise people to illegally evade taxes, but I cannot condemn any man who refuses to hand over his wallet to the highwayman. However, if you are considering going off the books, I don’t see why your decision should depend on which idiot becomes president. Anyhow, dropping out of productive society and evading taxes are rather different things. If you’re just planning on the latter, the most I can offer is a few links explaining the penalties for doing so. It’s the former that I’m concerned about. What exactly will you be withholding; what will your mind be doing for the next 4-8 years?
well hell why not? i can only stand so much, obama is too much. i mean we are talking about breaking the law here. if i’m going to take that risk, then i can only justify doing so if things get much worse as they will no doubt be if obama gets elected.
if McCain wins, i’ll gladly become the contributing member of society i was proud to be before i got laid off in july. if not, then whats the point? self immolation? no thanks…i’ll just sit this one out. i’ll catch the next elevator.
i’ll just pretend to be retired, go fishing a lot, take up some hobbies, develop my business off the books…
i’d keep myself busy. but i’d keep myself from donating to the system i wish to fail.
look, i’m not the only one feeling this way. states are talking about succeeding, gun sales are up %30, the stock market is TANKING in fear of an obama presidency…i’m just following suit.
bye, see-ya, no monies for you.
i still don’t see a reason not to do this. i mean i could just drop off the face of the earth and go live in the mountians somewhere, i could pull it off, i’m an eagle scout. but i’d much prefer the comforts of home, and the ability to hit up taco bell at 2 am when i get the munchies.
so back to plan C.
on strike till 2012.