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This forum was limited for so and so many pictures so I’ll just link.
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My room is also known as my parents garage :lol:
Question: why are you showing the photos to us? I am not complaining, quite the reverse, I like the photos. However, i do not understand your motive for showing your photos to us and would like to understand.
Impressive DVD & Book Collection :lol:
But I’m a bit confused… why the confederate flag? There may have been some good causes, but fighting for slavery is not one. Even if you don’t intend to represent that cause, that flag does.
Impressive DVD & Book Collection :)But I’m a bit confused… why the confederate flag? There may have been some good causes, but fighting for slavery is not one. Even if you don’t intend to represent that cause, that flag does.
Well southerners have few flags that don’t represent slavery, so how can you blame us?
Question: why are you showing the photos to us? I am not complaining, quite the reverse, I like the photos. However, i do not understand your motive for showing your photos to us and would like to understand.
Just for fun.
But we all know that the civil war was really for the grits recipy, so it was a stratigic loss for the union, because they didn’t get it.
Grits is a darn good cause, and choice for breakfest.
Well southerners have few flags that don’t represent slavery, so how can you blame them?
I would say using no flag is better than using one that represents slavery.
Just for fun.NEW LINK!!!
I got an error message saying I don’t have permission to view the forum. Do I have to become a member first?
Grits is a darn good cause, and choice for breakfest.
Um, for those of us who don’t know, what are grits?
Well southerners have few flags that don’t represent slavery, so how can you blame us?
So why not hang a flag from a southern state?
The confederacy was formed to fight a war with the North. One of the major causes of that war was the support of slavery. That flag represents that cause. It’s a well known fact and it’s not disputable.
I think the value of representing you’re from the South (if you are) is not greater than the cost of being viewed as a racist/collectivist and reminding people of such an ugly thing. Surely you could find a more creative way to represent you’re from the South if that’s your intent.
So why not hang a flag from a southern state?
The confederacy was formed to fight a war with the North. One of the major causes of that war was the support of slavery. That flag represents that cause. It’s a well known fact and it’s not disputable.
I think the value of representing you’re from the South (if you are) is not greater than the cost of being viewed as a racist/collectivist and reminding people of such an ugly thing. Surely you could find a more creative way to represent you’re from the South if that’s your intent.
Its pretty… :lol: Yeah, I understand that people might get the wrong idea, but I don’t mind.
the Mississippi flag is there too, I really do need a the Virginian one, having the Mississippi one is sort of silly in retrospect.
I would say using no flag is better than using one that represents slavery.
I got an error message saying I don’t have permission to view the forum. Do I have to become a member first?
Um, for those of us who don’t know, what are grits?
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the Confederate States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all white people, Amen. :lol:
Maybe not, but I like the south, slavery is hardly a big issue today.
Yeah, sorry about that, I’m not sure what to do…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grits
MY CAR:
Well, we got to see your real face, even if it was in caricature!
Well, we got to see your real face, even if it was in caricature!
:lol:
You have a lot of movies and books. That’s exciting.
I’m just curious…your profile says you’re 19. Why do you have an SAT poster and an SAT book? Do you teach it or something?
I really enjoyed seeing what your room/car looks like. I think you can learn a lot about someone from the way they choose to live (to the degree that they put any effort into decorating, which you clearly do).
I also like the Confederate flag. A couple of people have asserted that it “stands for slavery” and that that fact is “not disputable,” but I’m disputing it, so there. 
At face value, at issue in the Civil War was an increasingly tax-hungry and tyrannical federal government, and the fight for states rights. The fathers of Southern independence were certainly right about growing federal tyranny - look where we are now - and they were right about it then, too. The North had a history of imposing economic controls upon the South that put a damper on economic progress - see Tariff of Abominations. To me, and to many others, the Confederate flag is a symbol of resistance to unjust federal laws. It can’t be a symbol of slavery, since nobody actually supports slavery. That said, I would be hesitant to display a Confederate flag in public, since some people associate it with racism.
What is the flag with the red “sun” and red lines? It looks like the Japanese naval flag… and why the Native American chiefs on the wall?
for those of us who don’t know, what are grits?
Grits are a very bad Southern alternative to Cream of Wheat.
Grits are a very bad Southern alternative to Cream of Wheat.
I think I will just stick to corn flakes, rice bubbles, coco pops, and porridge then, espially since grits is not available in New Zealand.
What is the flag with the red “sun” and red lines? It looks like the Japanese naval flag… and why the Native American chiefs on the wall?
Think WWII, Japanese Imperial Navy. It represents the land of the rising sun.
It’s a very famous, or more accurately infamous, flag.
So why did you show us? I understand if you don’t want to say, but if so please say so.
To me, and to many others, the Confederate flag is a symbol of resistance to unjust federal laws. It can’t be a symbol of slavery, since nobody actually supports slavery.
The motivation for forming the Confederate States of America was to assert the States’ rights to keep slavery legal. The primary motivation was certainly not to protest Protectionist measures, although that was probably an issue for a few. I cannot comprehend how this flag symbolizes rebellion against “unjust federal laws” when all of the major issues the South screamed about includes:
- The abolition of slavery.
- Teaching evolution in schools.
- The Brown v. Board of Education decision.
- The decision that the Ten Commandments may not be displayed in a courthouse.
Needless to say, I understand that this is certainly not what you (or Binni) mean by unjust federal laws. Nevertheless, of all of the symbols you can choose to represent individual rights, Capitalism, reason and courage against unjust laws, I do not understand why you choose to keep this one.
It would be appalling for someone to claim a Nazi flag represents German industriousness and military prowess. Likewise, it would be shocking for someone to claim that a bust of Stalin represents Russian might. The essential characteristic of the South was pro-slavery. I do not see how displaying a Confederate flag is any different.
What is the flag with the red “sun” and red lines? It looks like the Japanese naval flag.
That looks like the a Japanese naval flag to me. I saw one on the U.S.S. Alabama, which was captured during World War II.
I think I will just stick to corn flakes, rice bubbles, coco pops, and porridge then, espially since grits is not available in New Zealand.
What about Vegemite, Caramello Koalas, Violet Crumble, Cherry Ripe and Pollywaffle?
I also like the Confederate flag. A couple of people have asserted that it “stands for slavery” and that that fact is “not disputable,” but I’m disputing it, so there.
It wasn’t a couple of people that said it was not disputable, it was me. The confederate flag stands for slavery among other things. But yes, you’re right, you can dispute it, but that cannot change what it stands for.
You can argue that it doesn’t stand for slavery but it still does. You can argue that A is not A but it still is.
Think WWII, Japanese Imperial Navy. It represents the land of the rising sun.
It’s a very famous, or more accurately infamous, flag.
So Binni - why do you have that flag?
The motivation for forming the Confederate States of America was to assert the States’ rights to keep slavery legal. The primary motivation was certainly not to protest Protectionist measures, although that was probably an issue for a few. I cannot comprehend how this flag symbolizes rebellion against “unjust federal laws” when all of the major issues the South screamed about includes:
- The abolition of slavery.
- Teaching evolution in schools.
- The Brown v. Board of Education decision.
- The decision that the Ten Commandments may not be displayed in a courthouse.
Needless to say, I understand that this is certainly not what you (or Binni) mean by unjust federal laws. Nevertheless, of all of the symbols you can choose to represent individual rights, Capitalism, reason and courage against unjust laws, I do not understand why you choose to keep this one
Of the three issues you cite, the only one that I see as having any potential connection to the Confederate flag is the issue in question now - the abolition of slavery. The others came after the Civil War. The Confederate flag has no connection to the modern South, to me.
It would be appalling for someone to claim a Nazi flag represents German industriousness and military prowess. Likewise, it would be shocking for someone to claim that a bust of Stalin represents Russian might. The essential characteristic of the South was pro-slavery. I do not see how displaying a Confederate flag is any different.
I think the Confederate flag can properly (and more appropriately) be seen as representing the Confederate rebellion, not necessarily “the South.” And I think the fundamental characteristic of the Confederate rebellion was an appeal to states’ rights, i.e. against unjust federal power. Unfortunately, one of the “rights” the Southern states wanted to preserve was institutionalized slavery. So, the Confederate flag as an appropriate pro-freedom symbol really is a mixed bag. But what other symbol speaks to strong discontent with the federal government? In absence of anything else, some people have adopted it to this purpose. Others have adopted it to the purpose of racism, and others have adopted it to the purpose of showing pride for Southern culture. Again, because it’s kind of ambiguous, I wouldn’t show the Confederate flag publicly. If it were to hang in my house, though, its symbolic role would be clear.
I think the issue that’s really at hand, here, is whether the Civil War can be reduced to “a war over slavery.” I don’t think so. Southern slavery wasn’t abolished by the North until well into the war, as part of the “total war” doctrine, and even then, border states kept their slaves. Abraham Lincoln stated at the beginning that he was willing to endure slavery if the Union could be preserved; only later was slavery used, by him and others, as a justification for forcing certain states to remain in the Union.
It wasn’t a couple of people that said it was not disputable, it was me. The confederate flag stands for slavery among other things. But yes, you’re right, you can dispute it, but that cannot change what it stands for.
You can argue that it doesn’t stand for slavery but it still does. You can argue that A is not A but it still is.
You’re making a positive claim that the Confederate flag stands for slavery, so the burden is on you to prove that that is the case. But I don’t think you can - there is no “flag that stands for slavery.” The Confederate flag is, by definition, the symbol of the Confederate States of America. There is no objective extrapolation from that.
So as to not hijack the thread, if y’all have further commentary on the Confederate flag issue, perhaps a moderator can split the thread. I am beginning to regret bringing it up, but I’m willing to defend what I’ve said if anyone feels that further discussion would be profitable.
What about Vegemite, Caramello Koalas, Violet Crumble, Cherry Ripe and Pollywaffle?
I know only the first an I do not like it. Besides I was talking serials. Vegimite is not a serial.