My Venture Into Other Forums...

It’s been said before, there’s no place like home (or for the internet, perhaps your homepage :slight_smile: )

For a fair amount of time, I limited my participation to OO.net. In all the agreement and disagreement, I found that the signal to noise ratio has mostly been pretty high. I thought perhaps I would branch out a bit, and share my views in other forums, and see how they were received. Well I still need improvement, Objectivism and OO.net has helped me understand myself better, and has helped sharpen my ability to communicate my ideas to other people.

So, over the past couple of months I have delved into a couple of other forums. I do not represent that I’m surprised by what I find. Instead, I remain somewhat distressed by what I read. Here are three forums I participated in, ranked from the worst to the best, in my opinion.

BetaNews.com - This forum largely focuses on tech talk, tech news, etc. It is littered with people who hate “big business”, view the successful as evil, and trample all over any praise for Capitalism, and the concepts that encompass it’s foundation. Here, the prevailing viewpoint is, if you are rich, you should give of yourself to the less fortunate people. Far too many participants exercise a very poor understanding of reason and logic, but a high level of emotionalism. Personal attacks are far too frequent here, and go virtually unchecked. I walk away with the summary “Give me mp3’s or I’ll take them.”

Packing.org - This forum concentrates on firearms possession, concealed carry laws, firearms related news, and the 2nd Amendment. It is littered with libertarians and anarchists. While I could find one or two more people on here who were at least somewhat more reasonable than at BetaNews, the ratio was still somewhat low. While it certainly has it’s share of passionate valuers, sometimes those values are not steeped in rationality. Moderation is basically done by the community. People who do not participate in a thread can rate the posts in a thread with a numbering system. The numbers are based on picking a description of the rater’s opinion of the post, but I suspect that description often has no relevant relationship to the post rated. If your number gets to low, you are officially deemed a troll and possibly banned. In other words, it’s a popularity contest, not an objective evaluation of the content of posts for the most part. I walk away with the summary, “from my cold, dead hands…”, “dead in a pile of brass”, and “god-given rights”.

Glocktalk.com - Glocktalk is a little more unique than the other two forums. While the web site is dedicated to Glock firearms and Glock users, they have a variety of sub-forums on a variety of firearms and non-firearms related issues. In some sub-forums, I could find some folks who were quite reasonable, well-informed and capable of conversing without constantly insulting people. For instance, in a sub-forum devoted to martial arts, I found quite a few very knowledgeable and reasonable people, apart from some beliefs in eastern mysticism. A sub-forum on motorcycles was quite informative, and people got along quite well there. Unfortunately, the sub-forum devoted to “Cop Talk” was much worse. This forum is largely divided into two groups, the LEO’s vs. the Cop-bashers. It really doesn’t matter where a thread starts, or what the topic is, almost all threads degenerate to that division. I met one person who had a CLEAR understanding of logic and reason. Again, a high level of personal attacks, but they are weakly addressed by a very limited moderation crew, and thus continue daily, essentially unabated. My summary, “You can’t possible understand anything because you’ve never been a cop” and “Jack boot thugs”.

So where do all these long-winded observations lead me? Back “home”. OO.net is a solace to me when the rest of the world seems unreasonable. I really need to participate here more often than I have been lately.

It is for that reason that I must again thank David and all of the other members here who provide a constructive contribution to a place I value. B)

Welcome back, weary traveller. There’s plenty of room here, by the warmth of the fire of reason. If it’s any solace, I enjoyed your tales. :slight_smile:

It’s been said before, there’s no place like home (or for the internet, perhaps your homepage :slight_smile: )

d to participate here more often than I have been lately.

It is for that reason that I must again thank David and all of the other members here who provide a constructive contribution to a place I value. :slight_smile:

I myself recently tried another forum that I thought might, just might be promising. AtheistNetwork, or something like that.

It was terrible overall. Alot of the members are not all that good at making convincing arguments, present themselves terribly and spend their time on trival stuff.

I was not expecting much though, so it was no big surprise…

In the end I decided I might pop into that forum now and again, there are a few decent minds in there i can discuss things rationally with now and again.

I have tried a few other forums in the past, but I also always end up coming back here. so maybe I will post more often … ha, ha…beware innocents! :stuck_out_tongue:

I thought perhaps I would branch out a bit, and share my views in other forums.

I’m not sure how much this applies but I spend a lot of time at FutureProducers.com just asking stupid questions about music production and what not. I have found it to be almost the exact opposite of this site. I recently mentioned that I happen to be a white guy and am not attracted to caucasian females even though I am caucasian and was told without any reasons what so ever that, that was because I was a self-hating person. They said I was wrong to abandom my “people” and that I had some kind of inferriority complex related to it.

I was also told I should have pride for my race and that I didn’t at all understand the idea of human commonality and blah blah blah. FutureProducers.com the forum of unreason.

Geez

I’m not sure how much this applies but I spend a lot of time at FutureProducers.com just asking stupid questions about music production and what not. I have found it to be almost the exact opposite of this site. I recently mentioned that I happen to be a white guy and am not attracted to caucasian females even though I am caucasian and was told without any reasons what so ever that, that was because I was a self-hating person. They said I was wrong to abandom my “people” and that I had some kind of inferriority complex related to it.

I was also told I should have pride for my race and that I didn’t at all understand the idea of human commonality and blah blah blah. FutureProducers.com the forum of unreason.

Geez

Sadly, I have heard alot of the same sort of thing from other forums, so you have my sympathy on this.

This one site is full of people whom seem to think that I should treat everyone as equal, despite how stupid they appear too be, how little they clearly think through their arguments (in fact most of the time theydid not seem understand simple definitions).

It was about this point, and after they tried to define Objectivism as subjective, even after i explained the difference many times, too different members of the forum that I quit.

It is my expereince that most people on other forums make no real effort to make sense, which alot of people I know in person are guilty of.

Spouting any old crOp is clearly easier than thinking things through and making an attempt at reasoned discussion.

Reminds me of this quote:

"Stupidity is easy, all it takes is not thinking. Intelligence is abit harder, it involves the effort of thinking.

But its not really difficult and brings gold not dirt."

Since this is the first forum I have ever been a member of, looks like I lucked out. :lol:

I must say, I like it here. Lots of friendly intelligent people.

These are hard to find these days. :smiley:

I have found a lot of friendly, intelligent people in the world. Very few of them participate in online forums. For example, all of the individuals in our local Objectivist network are friendly and intelligent – about 20 of them. Only two of them participate in online forums. I participate in two forums, both dedicated to Objectivists. The other person participates in only one forum and no other.

Most intelligent, friendly people in the world have better things to do than participate in online forums. Those who do usually have very special reasons for doing so – for example, being (they think) very isolated and wanting the contact with other, generally like-minded people. Another example reason is wanting to sharpen one’s communication skills. There are other legitimate reasons for a few individuals.

In conclusion, I would say that one reason that more Objectivists, in particular, don’t participate in online forums generally is for the reason Vern identitifies in his opening post: lack of rigorous moderation, setting strict standards for who is qualified to participate, by reason of background as well as general etiquette.