Ayn Rand said sex should be performed with someone who shares your values, and with someone who you love and are attracted to. But is there a limit to how many partners you sleep with, even if they all are with someone you love? And is it wrong to be constantly sleeping around with rational people, instead of having extended monagmous relationships?
It seemed like Dagny would have kept sleeping with more and more guys if she had met them. She actually had sex with every guy she wished she could, and I think she would have kept doing more guys if the opportunity had arisen(assuming hypothetically she never met John Galt, who was her highest ideal man).
It seemed like Dagny would have kept sleeping with more and more guys if she had met them.
This is from memory, because I don’t have any reference material available, but when Ayn Rand was questioned about Dagny she indicated that the number of lovers she had would probably be below average for a typical rational woman and that Dagny was never promiscous. I’ll find a better reference and post a more accurate quote or paraphrase.
This is from memory, because I don’t have any reference material available, but when Ayn Rand was questioned about Dagny she indicated that the number of lovers she had would probably be below average for a typical rational woman and that Dagny was never promiscous. I’ll find a better reference and post a more accurate quote or paraphrase.
Exactly. Keep in mind that from the age of 16 to 36(20 years!) Dagny had slept with a grand total of 3 men. Wonton and wretched woman of loose morals, that she was.
It is a good practice to familiarize yourself with search option on this forum to check if your question has been already answered - before you start another thread about a topic which has been discussed here many times!
Exactly. Keep in mind that from the age of 16 to 36(20 years!) Dagny had slept with a grand total of 3 men.
Steve opens his Atlas Shrugged and points to chapter 5, and says to aequalsa, she was definately not 16. She was older, at least 17, and that summer was when she was with Francisco.
Steve opens his Atlas Shrugged and points to chapter 5, and says to aequalsa, she was definately not 16. She was older, at least 17, and that summer was when she was with Francisco.
Ah..your right. Still 3 men in 19 years is not exactly enough to qualify her for any depricating titles.
Well Im trying to figure out if having sex with a lot of (rational) people is a form of hedonism. Having sex with a lot of partners who you love doesnt seem to go against what Ayn Rands depiction of what sex should be, but it might fit the definition of hedonism because all it really is is seeking short term joy. But what benefits would a long term relationship with someone give you as opposed to many short term relationships?
Well Im trying to figure out if having sex with a lot of (rational) people is a form of hedonism. Having sex with a lot of partners who you love doesnt seem to go against what Ayn Rands depiction of what sex should be, but it might fit the definition of hedonism because all it really is is seeking short term joy. But what benefits would a long term relationship with someone give you as opposed to many short term relationships?
I know from the Peikoff lecture you mentioned that Ayn Rand was against being in a lot of sexual relationships at one time. I’m tempted to quote it, but I don’t want to violate copywright.
Maybe the person likes having sex with new people more than he does with the same partner.
Or, to paint a new scenario, a couple who is love and have had a long term relationship together, but they want to have sex with lots of others as well.
Maybe the person likes having sex with new people more than he does with the same partner.
Or, to paint a new scenario, a couple who is love and have had a long term relationship together, but they want to have sex with lots of others as well.
Now wait, before you said with lots of others that you love. This does not sound like that. This sounds like promiscuity.
Now wait, before you said with lots of others that you love. This does not sound like that. This sounds like promiscuity.
I didnt mean for it to sound like a promiscuity. I was referring to new people the person meets who he falls in love with, not less quality terms than that. Say a man and woman are currently engaged in a long term relationship. But they both have fallen in love with a co-worker of theirs, and they agree to allow each other to venture out in terms of sexual relationships. A few months later the man finds another woman he falls in love with and decides to have sex with her instead of the other one because the feelings are more fresh and intense. Then 7 months later the man and woman each fall in love with another person and they have sex with them. And the pattern continues.. The main couple here decided to allow external sexual relationships because they have been having sex with each other for so long it became too repititive and common of a task. They enjoyed sex more when it was with a new person. Do you think this type of situation would be considered hedonism even though they are only having sex with people they love?
I absolutely agree. That’s because Dagny approached sex objectively. She never detached it from her code of values.
However, there obviously are other women/men out there that may have been with 3 people in 19 years, that could qualify for depr e cating titles.
Of course. In fact, there are probably evil virgins running around who deserve to be called a name or two. :nuke: But I was responding to konerkos first statement where he said that dagny was sleeping with everyone she wished. Everyone she wished was actually very few people over a long period of time and I only meant to point out her very rigid selectivity.
I was responding to konerkos first statement where he said that dagny was sleeping with everyone she wished. Everyone she wished was actually very few people over a long period of time and I only meant to point out her very rigid selectivity.
Maybe it was just because the opportunities never arose. She had sex with everyone she wanted to, and the type of guys she loved went crazy for her like she was the ideal woman. What if she met more guys that fit her criteria? I think she would have had a lot more partners in that case.
