Truth In Politics Youtube Channel

Andy and Bosch recently started a new show called “Truth In Politics.” It appears the YT channel for this show has been terminated “due to multiple or severe violations” of TOS.

The most recent upload appears to have been an interview with Dr. Jason Hill about “transgender insanity” and “academic cancel culture.”

Unfortunately I missed this episode and it doesn’t seem to be on Andy’s Facebook page. If you find it please let me know. Thanks. And thanks to Tony for pointing this matter out on the HBvAB thread.

 

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Thanks for making a separate thread about this. I didn’t really know who exactly was hosting the video.

Now I don’t agree that it’s an attempt to stifle dissent, or that the left should be characterized as a unified front. But I do find it insane that YouTube cares so much about the margins of disagreement that they bothered to remove such content. It’s probably some algorithm that pointed out some phrases that flags some words and that’s about it.

As a devils advocate, perhaps it will be appealed and YouTube will allow it because algorithms made a bad decision. So I am not going to jump into ulterior motives immediately.

But if it is a person that decided this, or if they don’t accept an appeal, then it is an example of how trans issues are taken as a cause by people who are not trans trying to protect people who are trans from the words of others. I’m not even sure that many trans people put so much stock into what others say about trans people except when a specific issue affects them directly. It’s stupid and I think if YouTube let it be, no one would bother to attack it. 

Still, I don’t want to judge until I know the details.

I found the episode with Jason Hill on their Rumble account. But now I’m not sure whether this was their latest episode uploaded to YT, because it’s from last month and marked #3 of six episodes.

In yesterday’s new, anti-Islam episode, not yet archived on Rumble but published live on Andy’s Facebook page, they briefly discussed the YT situation. According to them YT said they were “severe violators of community standards.” Bernstein thinks this is “code” for their general criticism of the left. He does mention Hill’s particular words that the leftist intellectuals are “pimps and whores.” So maybe you can’t say that on YT, because it’s offensive to pimps and whores.

1 hour ago, MisterSwig said:

Bernstein thinks this is “code” for their general criticism of the left.

Andrew Bernstein: “I think that’s code for you guys take an uncompromising stance against the left.”

1m:02s—1m:08s on the Facebook rendition.

Andrew Bernstein’s TruthinPolitics on rumble.

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7 hours ago, MisterSwig said:

Bernstein thinks this is “code” for their general criticism of the left.

This is pure speculation unless he has something to substantiate this claim. I think it’s far more likely that they triggered a red flag for words in an algorithm. Maybe they used some number of slurs that they don’t think are slurs, maybe they were simply using a phrase only loosely  associated with hate groups even though it was not intended. The truth is YouTube doesn’t care enough about Bernstein to watch him, they are far more likely to let an algorithm do its work - an algorithm that is not able at all to detect what is general criticism of the left. Not that such algorithms are good for moderation, just that such algorithms are the ones making the decisions based on word frequencies. Moderation is not usually done with explicit evaluation of content in mind. There are too many videos to do that except with extremely popular people.

Did anyone watch the whole video linked above whether he gives any evidence?

The missing episode:

https://rumble.com/ve0bm3-ep.-003-academic-cancel-culture-and-the-lefts-attempts-to-stifle-intellectu.html

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Jason Hill: “We truly are at the gates of hell”

***Live Tweet Feed put in spoiler envelope***

Spoiler

 

 

 

6 hours ago, Eiuol said:

This is pure speculation unless he has something to substantiate this claim.

I don’t think Andrew Bernstein gives much of a hoot that Youtube canceled his TruthInPolitcs channel, if anything he is going to consider it a validation and confirmation of what is going on in the culture.

The show was simulcast on other websites as well. Canceling President Trump’s twitter account followed by canceling the hosing of Parler’s app on AWS, Apple and GooglePlay are providing free advertisement in this regard.

At 1h:04m—1h:07m into Ep. 3, Andrew is already anticipating the potential of Youtube canceling this particular show, a recognition on his behalf of what is going on, and the alternatives that are at bay currently.

Perhaps it has to do with choosing James D. Hill as a guest on the episode in question.

 

AWS, Youtube and other tech giants were made possible by the internet. If the foundation that makes the internet possible continues to deteriorate, AWS, Youtube and other tech giants influencing internet policy will take a backseat to the havoc brought about by “every other industry, wherever machines are used—the machines which they thought could replace our minds” (Atlas Shrugged, The Utopia of Greed).

The “This is pure speculation” angle got me to listen to Ep. 003 while considering this response.  Hmm. Ep. 003 - Andrew is how old? Between this and the other series he has been producing, his enthusiasm is infectious. Wear a mask, or get inoculated if concerns exist about being infected. . . .

 

16 hours ago, Eiuol said:

Did anyone watch the whole video linked above whether he gives any evidence?

I watched the whole thing. They refer to it once or twice but don’t elaborate. The beginning couple minutes contain all the detail given.

12 hours ago, dream_weaver said:

Perhaps it has to do with choosing James D. Hill as a guest on the episode in question.

I’ll bet the algorithm didn’t like the episode on voter fraud either. They have been cracking down on “stop the steal” advocates. 

An algorithm, from the standpoint, that 500 hours of content is uploaded every minute, is generating plenty of discussion about tech platforms censoring content. Like values, having a broad colloquial usage, and a narrower philosophic refinement, Hank Rearden put his brother on notice of what could be talked about at the dinner table, a form of censuring.

Amazon does not let me rate my purchase transactions citing unusual reviewing activity on my account. Aside from an occasional mention, I shrug my shoulders and think “their loss”, on both Amazon and the Vendor’s end. Other people have reported getting the same message, the few times I’ve tried digging into it a little bit. 

The deplatforming is obviously a hotter button, and has provided opportunity to point out the private property or contractual issues, alternative providers (though creating a new Parler account is not viable). 

Is a future where one has to surf the dark net in order to get their fix of rational, objective content in the cards? Reason is more resourceful than that, and people, by nature, have free will, and are generally open to well reasoned positions when they are provided such at their level.

 

On 3/11/2021 at 10:38 PM, MisterSwig said:

It appears the YT channel for this show has been terminated “due to multiple or severe violations” of TOS.

Interesting that Marilyn Manson’s music video for (s)Ain’t is still there but not this.  I won’t post any link (it actually is pretty obscene) but images of Marilyn Manson snorting what looks like cocaine, cutting himself in a bathtub and having actual sex on camera do not violate the TOS while “academic cancel culture” apparently does.

It also appears that none of the people responsible know that declaring something forbidden is the single best way to make the entire internet go and look at that thing.

Speaking of which - where can we go to find this thing that’s even spicier than Marilyn Manson?

54 minutes ago, dream_weaver said:

Reason is more resourceful than that, and people, by nature, have free will, and are generally open to well reasoned positions when they are provided such at their level.

When they are free to choose rationally, yes.  But there’s a reciprocal sort of vicious cycle between censorship, coercion and irrationality, just as there is between freedom and rationality.

I’m not saying that a private company’s choice of whom to platform could constitute censorship (it can’t) but perhaps we need another term for what it actually is.  It’s not as bad as literal censorship and we are all still free to do business with companies we don’t consider evil (as Parler is an excellent example of) but I do think the actions of some of these companies are evil and certainly not good for a free and open dialogue.

Take all the money Amazon donated to Black Lives Matter during the height of their rioting (I believe it was upwards of one billion dollars).  Does anyone think a single penny of it went towards anything useful or good?  I certainly don’t.  And although it was their right to donate whatever money they have to whomever or whatever they choose, giving it to BLM was such an irresponsible call that I’m choosing it as my example of “corporate evil” (if you will).

Again, this isn’t to say that anyone should try and take those choices away from any corporation of any size; only that we as consumers should probably start paying more attention to such choices when deciding who we’d like to do business with.

That’s basically how Amy Peikoff framed Amazon’s underhanded attempt to destroy Parler and there’s not much else I can add to it.

On 3/13/2021 at 5:29 PM, Eiuol said:

This is pure speculation unless he has something to substantiate this claim.

Are you familiar with Project Veritas?  I only watch their stuff occasionally (and a few of the claims they’ve made seem only weakly supported by their reporting of the actual evidence for them) but they did a very illuminating bit about Facebook last year which I think would totally substantiate that claim, if we assume that YouTube is being run in a similar way.

That is an assumption.  It seems like a good one to me, but it might be wrong.

But to return to Marilyn Manson’s (s)Ain’t video, if THAT doesn’t trigger their moderating algorithm (or person) then whatever is doing the moderating simply is not interested in the filth, smut, personal abuse, swearing, or any other non-partisan concept of “cleanliness” one could think to invoke.

YouTube is obviously not cleaning up the same sorts of refuse that they claim to be.

I guess all of that is, itself, also pretty speculative.  But it seems like a step in the right direction.

 


 

Of all the companies I’m gonna have to minimize my own business with I think I’ll miss Coca-Cola by far the most.  I’ve been drinking it every day for so long that I’m not sure I remember how to live without it.  But they recently forced all their employees to attend some thing about “being less white” and I can only assume they were referring to their customer base.  And is there anything more white than a ginger?

I think not.

10 minutes ago, Harrison Danneskjold said:

That’s basically how Amy Peikoff framed Amazon’s underhanded attempt to destroy Parler and there’s not much else I can add to it.

Amazon stated that it wasn’t because of any particular viewpoint expressed on Parler. It was because of Parler failed to moderate threats of violence and illegal activity. The poor security of Parler is well known, so it is entirely reasonable that they would fail to properly moderate for criminal or violent activity. And it is reasonable for Amazon to respond to that by pulling away server support. 

Of course it might be easier to put every action of Amazon in a narrative about micromanaging speech, but just because they do one thing bad doesn’t mean that every single thing they do is bad or for the wrong reasons. 

26 minutes ago, Harrison Danneskjold said:

But to return to Marilyn Manson’s (s)Ain’t video, if THAT doesn’t trigger their moderating algorithm (or person) then whatever is doing the moderating simply is not interested in the filth, smut, personal abuse, swearing, or any other non-partisan concept of “cleanliness” one could think to invoke.

I watched the video. It’s a pretty blatant violation of content. https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2802002?hl=en&ref_topic=9282679

To begin with, I don’t think they care about decency (I don’t either), and I don’t think they care about even trying to control what people say. What they care about is making money and absolutely nothing else. They don’t care about the values they supposedly promote, or at least the methods that they employ are empty of value judgments. What probably happened is that Marilyn Manson has enough money that he can quickly and easily appeal any content judgment thanks to his lawyers. It’s easier to let Manson go. Normally, the algorithm will do its thing, take away the video, and no one could do anything about it. 

I think the mistake here is treating tech companies as if they are run by emotional moralizers. If instead you think in terms of calculating utility for the purpose of collective economic stability, it makes more sense. This is also wrong, but it requires a different analysis.  

9 hours ago, Harrison Danneskjold said:

Take all the money Amazon donated to Black Lives Matter during the height of their rioting (I believe it was upwards of one billion dollars).

When the local store is out of cat food, and Amazon delivers, it is the product that is being focused on, not the establishment of the establishment running in the background. 

Real Clear Politics is doing fluff pieces on what BLM is advocating while Amazon’s contributions are brought up as an aside in an OO thread. 

Gratefully occupationally work-from-home-capable keeps the 9 to 5 hours focused on maintaining the supply side of the Amazon equation, where a conscientious objection from the manufacturing side of the equation would remind me that paychecks come from products Amazon purchasers click “buy” on (though not exclusively in my line of work.)

 

 

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On 3/13/2021 at 8:50 PM, dream_weaver said:

I don’t think Andrew Bernstein gives much of a hoot that Youtube canceled his TruthInPolitcs channel, if anything he is going to consider it a validation and confirmation of what is going on in the culture.

Perhaps, but I would at least appeal the decision or make “Truth in Politics 2” and start over.

On 3/14/2021 at 4:48 PM, dream_weaver said:

Amazon does not let me rate my purchase transactions citing unusual reviewing activity on my account…

Have you talked to Amazon yourself? Assuming you’re not doing something bad, you might win an appeal. I look at it this way, these mega-companies need to police activity on their sites and sometimes they just make a mistake. You won’t know if they made a mistake unless you talk to them about it.

On 3/14/2021 at 4:48 PM, dream_weaver said:

Is a future where one has to surf the dark net in order to get their fix of rational, objective content in the cards?

Some people create the channel over again and edit their content to conform with TOS. Heretical podcasters will talk in code to avoid the algorithm’s axe. But I kind of doubt Andy and Bosch are willing to do that to stay on YT.

On 3/14/2021 at 5:31 PM, Harrison Danneskjold said:

Interesting that Marilyn Manson’s music video for (s)Ain’t is still there but not this.

You think that’s obscene? Watch this!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Im50XUXeb0I

It’s okay to leave up all the videos of Dems accusing Trump of collusion but dare to say the election was stolen and your channel is terminated. This isn’t about “severe violations,” it’s about protecting favored classes of people.

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On 3/14/2021 at 6:05 PM, Harrison Danneskjold said:

Of all the companies I’m gonna have to minimize my own business with I think I’ll miss Coca-Cola by far the most. 

For me it’s Ben & Jerry’s. Giving that up hurt because I love their ice cream. 

16 minutes ago, MisterSwig said:

Perhaps, but I would at least appeal the decision or make “Truth in Politics 2” and start over.

Andrew and Bosch have not made much public on the matter, aside from acknowledging the fact of the occurrence.

16 minutes ago, MisterSwig said:

Have you talked to Amazon yourself?

I sent an email to the address in the notification window. If I got a response, I did not notice it. 

 

16 minutes ago, MisterSwig said:

You won’t know if they made a mistake unless you talk to them about it.

I’m pretty sure they made a mistake. Is it a matter important enough to know for certain? Typically, I vote with my business. In this case, the added complexity is using my carrier to access Amazon and however much longer the chain may be. In the wider picture, boycotting Amazon for a list of infractions, and getting it to spread in a meaningful manner . . . I went to a local brick and mortar earlier this afternoon, . . . egads, I didn’t check to see if the owner attended mass last Sunday. (skipping mass was tongue in cheek.)