Allright i thought it would be interesting to see how an objectivist would respong to a debate i'm having with a friend.
His Response
Other Guy(Socialist):
wow, some heated arguments here.
okay, first of all, barack obama is not a socialist. i just don't see what part of his opinions are "socialist" as you say. you mean high taxes? we need higher taxes if you want to protect this country. it seems like you don't want to pay shit for all the services the government provides for you. no wonder the gov't is in such a deep deficit right now. and second of all, you don't have any reason why socialism is bad. and therefore, your argument is deeply flawed, showing that you are holding unproven prejudices.
and i want to just mention your comment about private sector creating jobs for the general public, but that's just bullshit. throughout history, individuals or groups with money (businesses) abuse those who work for them. its a proven fact. if it weren't for the meager government control over business sector, none of us would have even decent part-time jobs.
and also, let's compare private and public schools. if private schools are so much better, why don't you just go there? the bottom line is, because of government, anybody can at least afford to go to high school. how many people in the world do you think have the privileage to do that? so, stop spreading your elitist ideals. it makes me sick. and in my opinion, public schools are just fine, and will get better with obama's presidency.
now, when i talk about government controlling economy, im not talking about total control over economy like north korea or cuba. i know that doesn't work. so stop assuming that all obama supporters are communists. for pete's sake, is that how you carry out your argument? government control, what we mean, is moderate tax control. and that works. no doubt about that.
and im assuming that you don't believe in taxing rich people either. okay, but what i don't get is logic behind the idea. many thinks that giving tax-breaks to rich will put more money back into the economy, but that's just wrong. rich people are rich no matter how high the taxes are. they will spend their money regardless of tax rates. they are the ones buying expensive cars and nice large houses when many people are losing their homes because of forclosures, can't get proper medical treatment because of high insurance costs, barely getting by day by day with almost nothing they are getting paid after taxes. give tax-break to lower and middle income classes. or, at least raise taxes for the higher income brackets. obama all the way!
My statement
ME:So your saying the government creates jobs through more governmentneh don't think so. The only way the government can create jobs is through pro business pro growth pro capitalism envirement. And your obama is not that envirment. everything out of government controll is not as successful as the PRIVATE SECTOR. look at public schools vs private schools look at the operation of the post market vs ups & fedex look at GOVERNMENT Budgeting vs the budgeting of private industries. I dunoo it might be me. Government controling economy is not effective.
Hello everyone i'm 16 now but last year when i was 15 i bought ayn rand's the fountainhead. Great book and i've even read it again i think its my favorite i've read. Well anyway my question or an opening up for discussion is what should i read? I have my basic ideals that i beleive in and strongly support them but its better to be competent in the whole view and what is really meant and i'm kind of at a point where I don't know what to do/read next. This whole view on life and the information is really interesting to me. I don't know? Coments guys?