Knowing What NOT to Do In Romance

It’s his claims about the psychology of females that I’m looking for where he’s pulling his claims from first and foremost. As for being a gentleman, I don’t oppose that word/concept in general, but I do oppose what seems to be Kevin’s particular idea of what being a gentleman constitutes. I just don’t think that what he calls a gentleman is really a gentleman at all.

“refers to any man of good, courteous conduct.” Virtues man. The way Kevin describes seems to be pretty courteous and anti new age swagger type. Works for me.

I’ve read everything I know of by Rand dealing with what femininity is. There is very little we have records of from her on that topic explicitly and in what is there she seems to give only her own introspection as her source for the claims as far as I recall. Since those things don’t match up with my own introspective findings, that leaves basically no basis for me to believe any of the few claims she made about femininity.

So you do have a few ideas about femininity. If you didn’t have any you wouldn’t disagree with her.

I’m really not kidding about my inability to tell you anything about what femininity is though. I don’t know. I haven’t noticed anything reliably consistent among female personalities which is not also reliably consistent among male personalities. This is especially true when taking into account various time periods and people from different cultures. More than a few times I’ve considered if gender may simply be an anti-concept along the same lines as “ethnicity”, something which a coherent, clear definition really cannot be formed for. The question of if gender is an anti-concept or not though I think is getting too far off topic, so I’ve been avoiding things related to that issue in this thread. So, improper or whatever else you may contend it is or isn’t, that’s the state of things - I really can’t tell you anything at all about femininity since I don’t know what it actually is and I’m still not sure if there even is such a thing in the first place.

We have different sets of hormones. The Nature and Evolution shaped us differently, wouldn’t you agree? Moreover, I did see a trend as a Ukrainian immigrant who lives in The Netherlands. I’ve seen that the most non-feminist girls prefer to have a confident, masculine and yet gentle male on their side who doesn’t do any dumb stuff..and the more “civilized” and (intelligent/fashionable, it depends..) he is the better.

“If you don’t consider Kevin’s advices to be valid or legit in any form just because he won’t tell you any personal details then so be it.”

It’s not JUST because of that particular type of information being absent. All forms of grounds for his claims are absent. Asking about his personal experience is actually going fairly easy on him, allowing him to provide a personal anecdote instead of thorough research or sound, compelling logic. His own life experience can’t prove anything to be anywhere near as widespread as he claims it is, but hell, it would be a start at least.

What if I posted a ytube vid which proves my point? would it suffice? Or a social study? Or maybe you’d counter it with another study? Can you tell me what you expect from men and why?

Shifting the burden of proof? We prove something else which in the process proves Kevin’s claims wrong, or else Kevin is to have his claims to be presumed valid and left alone? We have already provided counterexamples aplenty though, which is more than Kevin has provided for his side of things.

Kevin gave a few self evident advices on how men should act as well as understand why they should act this way, there is nothing mind boggling about them. Btw, if I don’t want to open the door for her or talk all the time like a dumb teen that’s my problem.  As far as I’m concerned his advice is just as self evident as the fact that existence exists.

“. . . or don’t bother.”

This post here from the last thread goes into some of why it is worth bothering to point to flaws in what Kevin has to say even if we don’t provide some detailed alternative. (“Be yourself” and “treat people as individuals,” which is what most of us generally propose as an alternative, you seem to regard as somehow deficient.)

Okay, let me break it for you really quick, if I were full throttle myself with my “I desire to be my future gf” she’d run away screaming “what a morally heavy, intense, overly passionate, radioactive and nit picking snob this guy is, NUUU”. It applies to a lot of men..Well, some of it. What’s your take on the nature of masculinity btw?