adrock3215 Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 Spitzer Is Linked to Prostitution Ring I had to post this cause I can't stop laughing about it. Spitzer is a piece of garbage who has gone after big players on Wall Street and every major investment bank for his entire political career, and also went after numerous corporations/insurance companies for all sorts of ridiculous charges, i.e. "price fixing". I'm sure Dick Grasso is happy about this, whom Spitzer essentially forced to step down as chairman of NYSE because he was "being paid too much". ALBANY - Gov. Eliot Spitzer has been caught on a federal wiretap arranging to meet with a high-priced prostitute at a Washington hotel last month, according to a person briefed on the federal investigation. The wiretap recording, made during an investigation of a prostitution ring called Emperors Club VIP, captured a man identified as Client 9 on a telephone call confirming plans to have a woman travel from New York to Washington, where he had reserved a room. The person briefed on the case identified Mr. Spitzer as Client 9. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D'kian Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 I had to post this cause I can't stop laughing about it. Spitzer is a piece of garbage who has gone after big players on Wall Street and every major investment bank for his entire political career, and also went after numerous corporations/insurance companies for all sorts of ridiculous charges, i.e. "price fixing". I'm sure Dick Grasso is happy about this, whom Spitzer essentially forced to step down as chairman of NYSE because he was "being paid too much". I agree. While I wouldn't mind seeing Mr. Spitzer fall, though, I can't help but point out that what he's being accused of, or what he has admitted to doing, ought not be illegal, nor should he be prosecuted for it. That said, he did an awful lot of prosecution, and persecution, of people who had done nohting that ought to be considered illegal, either. So ina sense it is poetic justice. In any case, such behavior does disqualify him rfom holding public office. Not legally, perhaps, but morally. He should resign his post as governor and refrain from seeking office in the future (it might even happen). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-Mac Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 HA HA HA! It makes me smile to think of all the financial and insurance industry professionals, like myself and my employer, who are sitting in their offices getting a nice little chuckle out of this mess today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KendallJ Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 Wait, I thought politicians were trying to save us from the greedy, unscrupulous, whore-mongering, industrialists? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gags Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 I wonder if Hillary Clinton will reject Spitzer's endorsement of her candidacy for president. Clearly she won't want her image tarnished by appearing to be too close to a philandering, cheating, whore-monger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
softwareNerd Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 I'd like to see two things come of this: Spitzer does not simply relinquish governorship, but goes to jail In a reaction, prostitution takes some type of step toward being legal However, neither of those is really important. It speaks to the low-level of discourse that so many commentators are condemning Spitzer for this on the business news this morning, while only a few voices spoke out about Spitzer's real evil: e.g. the way he went after Grasso of NYSE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zip Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 Is it just me or wouldn't someone else like to see one of these political wives stand up for herself and give sleazy hubby the boot on national TV for once? Come on ladies! Where's your sense of self-worth!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D'kian Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 Come on ladies! Where's your sense of self-worth!!! It's derived from their husbands' appointed or elected position. Take the best known case: Hillary Clinton. She'd put up with anyhting (hell, she did put up with everything), so long as her husband was first governor, then a rising star in the Democratic Party, then president of the US. Had Bill lost the race in 92, I think she may have left him, otherwise no. If she'd dumped him in 92 when the Gennifer Flowers scandal broke, he might stil have won the presidency, but Hillary wouldn't be a senator today, much less a serious presidential contender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-Mac Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 Come on ladies! Where's your sense of self-worth!!! This is actually something I mentioned to my boss yesterday as we were having a good chuckle over this situation. I don't know how these stupid women get up on TV and "stand by their man." It's a horrible example for her to set to her three daughters, that's certain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrock3215 Posted March 11, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 (edited) More Details Client 9 wanted a high-priced prostitute named Kristen to come to Washington on a 5:39 p.m. train from Manhattan Feb. 13. The door to the hotel room would be left ajar. Train tickets, cab fare, room service, and the minibar were all on him. "Yup, same as in the past. No question about it," the caller told Kristen's boss, when asked if he would make his payment to the same business as usual, a federal affidavit said. The client paid $4,300 to Kristen, touted by the escort service as a "petite, pretty brunette," according to the court papers. The Feb. 13 tryst took place in the Mayflower hotel, where Spitzer rented a second room for the woman under another name, the law enforcement official who spoke to The AP on Tuesday said. Spitzer had to sneak past his State Police detail to get to her room, the official said. I'm with sNerd. I want this guy in jail, or thrown off a cliff. I would add that from listening to CNBC today, there have been many Wall Street veterans coming out against Spitzer on principles other than this, so I'm not sure what channel you're listening to sNerd. They had an interview with one of the former NYSE board members (there at the time with Grasso) who was definitely kicking Spitzer's name around a bit this afternoon. Spitzer was widely disliked on Wall Street. He ruined the reputations of many good, decent wealthly men and corporations in the name of "justice." Edited March 11, 2008 by adrock3215 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gags Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 Every once in a while, the late night comedians are actually funny: Jay Leno joked last night that Spitzer's scandal "means Hillary Clinton is now only the second angriest woman in the state of New York." David Letterman offered a Top 10 List of excuses Spitzer might cite, including the number one excuse: "I thought Bill Clinton legalized this years ago." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidV Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 whore-mongering Excuse my quibbling, but I object to the use of the word "monger." It has two meanings: (1) a peddler of a particular commodity ("fishmonger") and (2) as a promoter of something undesirable ("warmonger"). Besides the fact that the label is inaccurate (Spitzer is not accused of being a pimp), this seems like the fallacy of appeal to ridicule to me because the "bad thing+monger" is usually used in place of a logical argument. If it's obvious that an activity is wrong, then there is no need to monger-ize it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KendallJ Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 Excuse my quibbling, but I object to the use of the word "monger." It has two meanings: (1) a peddler of a particular commodity ("fishmonger") and (2) as a promoter of something undesirable ("warmonger"). Besides the fact that the label is inaccurate (Spitzer is not accused of being a pimp), this seems like the fallacy of appeal to ridicule to me because the "bad thing+monger" is usually used in place of a logical argument. If it's obvious that an activity is wrong, then there is no need to monger-ize it. Excuse my quibbling in return but while your characterization of "monger" is correct, you'll find if you do a brief online search that the term "whoremonger" also carries with it the connotation simply of one who associates with whores, of which Mr. Spitzer is quite notably a member of the class. Since there seems to be the desire to quibble about his offense and it's legality, I just want to make clear that the essence of my original statement has nothing to do with the nature of his offense as such. It matters not whether this is an offense that should be legal or not. It is irrelevant. What we have though that is quite important and quite relevant and which is what my statement was intended to highlight, is an agent of the law who believes he is above it. One who acts as a crusader on moral principle against those he chooses to prosecute, only to reveal that his moral righteousness is nothing more than simple political pandering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D'kian Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 Excuse my quibbling in return but while your characterization of "monger" is correct, you'll find if you do a brief online search that the term "whoremonger" also carries with it the connotation simply of one who associates with whores, of which Mr. Spitzer is quite notably a member of the class. Maybe so. But it's bad English and it isn't funny (it is undignified). Consdier these terms instead: Tart Conoisseur Whore Enthusiast Carpet Gourmet (no evidence of that, but still....) Supporter of the Oldest Arts And of course, Dirty Old Man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-Mac Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 Maybe so. But it's bad English and it isn't funny (it is undignified). Consdier these terms instead: Tart Conoisseur Whore Enthusiast Carpet Gourmet (no evidence of that, but still....) Supporter of the Oldest Arts And of course, Dirty Old Man. Oh yeah, those are much more dignified. I assume your comment to Kendall about undignified was an attempt at sarcasm?? What's undignified is sleeping with whores, then going home and kissing your wife and three daughters and telling them you love them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laure Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 Come on ladies! Where's your sense of self-worth!!! No kidding! If the guy's innocent, sure, stand by him, but Spitzer admitted it! The only way I'd take the podium in that circumstance would be to announce that I was filing for divorce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D'kian Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 Oh yeah, those are much more dignified. No, but they are funnier than "whore-monger." I assume your comment to Kendall about undignified was an attempt at sarcasm?? Not at all. It was an aside, not to the point of the matter. The matter is that "whore-monger" isn't funny, while the terms I suggested are. All terms are undignified, but you can't get away from it because Spitzer is undignified. Oh, since he isn't that old, the term "Dirty Old Man" can be changed to "Simple Pervert." What's undignified is sleeping with whores, then going home and kissing your wife and three daughters and telling them you love them. That brings up a funny question to ask Spitzer "Do you kiss your wife with that mouth?" Still, of course, not dignified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zip Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 It's derived from their husbands' appointed or elected position. Take the best known case: Hillary Clinton. She'd put up with anyhting (hell, she did put up with everything), so long as her husband was first governor, then a rising star in the Democratic Party, then president of the US. Had Bill lost the race in 92, I think she may have left him, otherwise no. If she'd dumped him in 92 when the Gennifer Flowers scandal broke, he might stil have won the presidency, but Hillary wouldn't be a senator today, much less a serious presidential contender. Yup. Bill may have gotten a blow-job from Monica but it was Hillary that swallowed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-Mac Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 (edited) No, but they are funnier than "whore-monger." Not really. The matter is that "whore-monger" isn't funny, while the terms I suggested are. Not really. All terms are undignified, but you can't get away from it because Spitzer is undignified. I was just bringing us back around to topic, not excusing a comment due to Spitzer's behavior, as I think you are suggesting. Still, of course, not dignified. Then why bring it up and do exactly what you just criticized someone else for? Edited March 11, 2008 by K-Mac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D'kian Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 I was just bringing us back around to topic, not excusing a comment due to Spitzer's behavior, as I think you are suggesting. I am mocking Spitzer. I try to ahve fun while doing it. If any man deserves scorn these days, he is the one. There's nothing dignified in sex for hire. It's vile and depraved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gags Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 Yup. Bill may have gotten a blow-job from Monica but it was Hillary that swallowed. The real tragedy of the Clinton/Lewinski thing was that it gave A-holes like Spitzer the license to try and hang on through these kinds of scandals. Pre-Clinton, this kind of scandal was a certain death sentence for a politician. Now these scumbags figure if they get their wife up next to them and pledge to spend some time in rehab or a monastery, then everything will be OK and they can keep their powerful position. What a farce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
softwareNerd Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 (edited) More than Clinton, I think what has really changed is people's attitudes about what they see as personal morality that does not affect job-performance. With Clinton, many people took the view that what he did with Lewinski had no material imapct on his actions qua President. This view is substantially correct. With Spitzer, there's an added element of him being a hypocrite and of him committing a crime. However, most non-partisan people will also likely conclude that it's a minor issue compared to what he does qua Governor, and they would be substantially correct. Edited March 12, 2008 by softwareNerd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zip Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 Infidelity I could accept in a sitting politician (though I would most likely not vote for that person again), however hypocrisy I can not tolerate. Infidelity is a betrayal of a sigular oath given to an individual you 'love' at a specific moment in time, however true that sentiment remains can vary wildly as anyone who has ever loved and fallen out of love can attest. The other is a betrayal of yourself, of your stated principals, of the hand on heart position you made crystal clear to anyone and everyone who was listening. A person who will lie to themselves has no one whom they would not lie to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mammon Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2...er_probl_1.html This might affect Clinton's campaign. Also, this is another example of poetic justice, like I talked about in the Micheal Vick thread. Sure, the act should be legalized, but it's always good to see something bad happen to a bad person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D'kian Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 More than Clinton, I think what has really changed is people's attitudes about what they see as personal morality that does not affect job-performance. With Clinton, many people took the view that what he did with Lewinski had no material imapct on his actions qua President. This view is substantially correct. Partly. Remember the Clinton debacle lasted almost ten years. It started with Gennifer Flowers publicizing an affair with him aroudn the time of the 91 Primaries. Obviously everyone heard of it, but only those interested in the primaries were paying attention, meaning mostly partisans on both sides. I think democrats regreted having lost gary Hart on the previous electoral cycle to something similar (the infamous affair with Donna Rice), and thus were willing to forgive Clinton lest they loose another election (BTW had there been no Gulf War and no recession right afterwards, Clinton would never have been president, but that's another topic). Then came other revelations after he was elected. The Arkansas State Troopers scandal, the Paula Jones suit, several others no one even remembers, and eventually Monica Lewinski. The Jones suit was the crucial event. Through the discovery process the Lewisnki affair, as well as others, came to light. I don't think the suit had merits and it should never have been allowed to proceed. Having proceeded, though, the accusations of perjury were a bit overblown. It was a frivolous civil suit without merit, after all. The rest was Clinton's private life. And it made the GOP look mean-spirited and too focused on irrelevancies (meanwhile no one paid much attention to Al Qaida's growing agressiveness), Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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