NIJamesHughes Posted May 3, 2010 Report Share Posted May 3, 2010 I am trying to list all axiomatic concepts. Existence Identity Consciousness Volition Validity of the Senses are there more? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greebo Posted May 3, 2010 Report Share Posted May 3, 2010 I am trying to list all axiomatic concepts. Existence Identity Consciousness Volition Validity of the Senses are there more? There are less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grames Posted May 3, 2010 Report Share Posted May 3, 2010 I am trying to list all axiomatic concepts. Not everything axiomatic is as simple as a single concept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIJamesHughes Posted May 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2010 There are less. Not true. Volition: http://www.peikoff.com/opar/volition.htm "The principle of volition is a philosophic axiom, with all the features this involves." Validity of the senses: Objectivism: The Philosophy of Ayn Rand by Leonard Peikoff, page 39: "The validity of the senses is an axiom" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mshepard Posted May 3, 2010 Report Share Posted May 3, 2010 In regard to metaphysics, there are only three axiomatic concepts - Existence, Identity, and Consciousness. These three are often differentiated from the general usage of the term axiom, by referring to them as the basic axioms. Technically, Causality is a corollary of the axiomatic concept - Identity. Volition, the validity of the senses, entity, and the self - are epistemological axiomatic concepts in the sense that they are self-evident, primaries in regard to any given instance of cognition/conceptualization. However, since metapysics is more fundamental than epistemology, these epistemological axiomatic concepts are, more precisely, corollaries of the three metaphysical axiomatic concepts; specifically, corollaries of the axiomatic concept -Consciousness. Informally, corollaries can and often are referred to as 'axiomatic concepts' and/or 'axioms', however with the understanding that they are not a basic axiom. Also, keep in mind, that an axiomatic concept is not synonymous with axiom; An axiom is a statement that identifies an axiomatic concept in explicit, propositional form. Again, however, you will probably find examples of the two being used interchangeably either erroneously, or more commonly as linguistic shorthand (it's easier to say axiom instead of axiomatic concept). In regard to your question: Objectivism recognizes only 3 basic axioms - Existence, Consciousness, and Identity. in regard to the non-basic axioms (corollaries) those presented in the Objectivist literature are not considered exclusive. Y Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIJamesHughes Posted May 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2010 Thanks for your reply, but I don't need a lesson in what axiom's are, so I fear your words are wasted, and you have contributed nothing to the list of axioms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mshepard Posted May 3, 2010 Report Share Posted May 3, 2010 Your welcome, but if you actually read what I wrote instead of becoming defensive, you would have seen I added two axiomatic concepts to your list: the self and entity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0096 2251 2110 8105 Posted May 3, 2010 Report Share Posted May 3, 2010 Thanks for your reply, but I don't need a lesson in what axiom's are, so I fear your words are wasted, and you have contributed nothing to the list of axioms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian0918 Posted May 3, 2010 Report Share Posted May 3, 2010 Thanks for your reply, but I don't need a lesson in what axiom's are, so I fear your words are wasted, and you have contributed nothing to the list of axioms. I'm glad I didn't waste my energy attempting to give you a deeper grasp of how to identify axioms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIJamesHughes Posted May 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2010 Your welcome, but if you actually read what I wrote instead of becoming defensive, you would have seen I added two axiomatic concepts to your list: the self and entity. Ah, I see those now, thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIJamesHughes Posted May 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2010 I'm glad I didn't waste my energy attempting to give you a deeper grasp of how to identify axioms. So am I. It would have been presumptive and insulting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mshepard Posted May 4, 2010 Report Share Posted May 4, 2010 So am I. It would have been presumptive and insulting. Sorry if I hurt your feelings. Perhaps you would receive more constructive dialogue if you post future questions under the Psychology and Self Esteem section. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grames Posted May 4, 2010 Report Share Posted May 4, 2010 the self and entity. These concepts form the basis of subject-object analysis. Self is the particular recognition of the axiomatic concept consciousness. Entity is the particular recognition of the axiomatic concept existence. It was Aristotle who first insisted that all that exists is particular. So there is relation to other axiomatic concepts, but they are still axiomatic. Causality is axiomatic, inheriting its axiomatic status from identity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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