Mr. Wynand Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 What do you think of her? I'm reading the Human Condition for a class, and don't quite know what to make of her yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyronus Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 I've read Eichmann in Jerusalem and I found it to be a very good read. She not only dissects the dishonest nature of not only Eichmann's and several other Ex-Nazi defenses but also of the Isreali prosecution. I'm also told that the Origins of Totalitarianism was a great read. Having read Eichmann, I honestly feel her concept of the Banality of Evil gets a lot of bad press because people don't understand it. They think it means that evil people are normal. If you read the book, what she points out is that evil people like the rank and file Nazis have a great capacity of rationalization so that they can fool even themselves into thinking what they are doing is normal. It doesn't change the fact that they're being fundamentally dishonest and capable of great monstrosity, they still view themselves as normal folk doing what they should have, and some like Eichmann can just as easily twist themselves they other way. To look at it another way, it can be seen as a case study in the need for focus and self-responsibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Wynand Posted November 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2010 I haven't read any of those, but in The Human Condition Arendt says, "I fail to see on what grounds...liberal economists can justify their optimism that the private appropriation of wealth will suffice to guard individual liberties-that is, will fulfill the same role of private property. In a jobholding society [individual] liberties...are constantly threatened, no by the state, but by society, which distributes jobs and determines the share of individual appropriation." Arendt seems to think that a job is an individual right that can be taken away by society, and we know that employment is not a right. But her view on private property is even clearer with this, "Consideration of private ownership should be overruled in favor of the ever-increasing process of social wealth." Attack away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyronus Posted November 26, 2010 Report Share Posted November 26, 2010 Well, this lowered my estimation of her. Eichmann in Jerusalem is still a scathing exposure of the petty self-delusion and pathetic nature of the rank and file Nazis, and I am told the Origins of Totalitarianism is very good as well, but the above is... well, just plain stupid. I'm not sure much more needs to be said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volco Posted November 26, 2010 Report Share Posted November 26, 2010 Agree with Nyronus to the very last word. I thoroughly recommend reading Hannah Arendt's three main books. I started with EIJ, The Banality of Evil which is literally moving, then, can't recall the exact name but "History of the Jews and Zionism and other Essays" in which, as in EIJ, shows immense intellectual honesty while portraying the non-holy, condition of both Herzl and the European Jewry of the late XIXc breaking many taboos that need to be broken. Finally in Origins of Totalitarianism I learnt the distinction between the too usual Dictatorship and true Totalitarianism. Sayin that an Objectivist shouldn't read Hannah Arendt because she was a Kantian semi-theist is akin to saying one shouldn't read Thomas Aquinas because he was a Catholic As Ayn Rand herself admitted, she got inspiration in some individuals works (like Frank L Wright) but none in their person. It was in her fiction works that we can find heroes of such integrity (hence, they are heroes). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volco Posted November 26, 2010 Report Share Posted November 26, 2010 Perfection is a hard mistress. Germans search perfection. Englishmen search Excellence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
softwareNerd Posted May 12, 2014 Report Share Posted May 12, 2014 I just saw the movie and -- though the movie does not tell one much -- I plan on checking out her book "Totalitarianism" sometime soon. From the movie, and from basic Googling, she seems an honest thinker, not willing to toe a party-line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank harley Posted May 12, 2014 Report Share Posted May 12, 2014 I haven't read any of those, but in The Human Condition Arendt says, "I fail to see on what grounds...liberal economists can justify their optimism that the private appropriation of wealth will suffice to guard individual liberties-that is, will fulfill the same role of private property. In a jobholding society [individual] liberties...are constantly threatened, no by the state, but by society, which distributes jobs and determines the share of individual appropriation." Arendt seems to think that a job is an individual right that can be taken away by society, and we know that employment is not a right. But her view on private property is even clearer with this, "Consideration of private ownership should be overruled in favor of the ever-increasing process of social wealth." Attack away. Yes, Arendt was arguing against Hayek. Her economic point of reference was Karl Polanyi. Â Since the natural tendency of capitalism is to destroy itself by the rich getting richer, it thereby acts as a barrier to the formation of democratic institutions. Moreover, markets--which she was for--can only be maintained by strong state intervention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank harley Posted May 12, 2014 Report Share Posted May 12, 2014 Agree with Nyronus to the very last word. I thoroughly recommend reading Hannah Arendt's three main books. I started with EIJ, The Banality of Evil which is literally moving, then, can't recall the exact name but "History of the Jews and Zionism and other Essays" in which, as in EIJ, shows immense intellectual honesty while portraying the non-holy, condition of both Herzl and the European Jewry of the late XIXc breaking many taboos that need to be broken. Finally in Origins of Totalitarianism I learnt the distinction between the too usual Dictatorship and true Totalitarianism. Sayin that an Objectivist shouldn't read Hannah Arendt because she was a Kantian semi-theist is akin to saying one shouldn't read Thomas Aquinas because he was a Catholic As Ayn Rand herself admitted, she got inspiration in some individuals works (like Frank L Wright) but none in their person. It was in her fiction works that we can find heroes of such integrity (hence, they are heroes). Althoght i love Arendt, I believe she was absolutely wrong in her assessment of Eichman. At least the evil of his own doing was hardly 'banal'.  At his trial, Eichman did try to present himself as an obedient functionary who was just doing his job--and Arendt swallowed the story hook line and sinker. Rather, the biographical truth revealed that he was a hysterical Nazi anti-semite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reidy Posted May 12, 2014 Report Share Posted May 12, 2014 Peikoff cites her extensively in The Ominous Parallels. Â NBI Book Service sold Totalitarianism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
softwareNerd Posted May 12, 2014 Report Share Posted May 12, 2014 Since the natural tendency of capitalism is to destroy itself by the rich getting richer, it thereby acts as a barrier to the formation of democratic institutions.I reckon you live inside a book. Get out some time. StrictlyLogical 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrictlyLogical Posted May 13, 2014 Report Share Posted May 13, 2014 (edited) I reckon you live inside a book. Get out some time.  That is a brilliant premise for a cautionary children's tale, "There once was a man Frank Harley who lived inside a book". Edited May 13, 2014 by StrictlyLogical Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank harley Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 That is a brilliant premise for a cautionary children's tale, "There once was a man Frank Harley who lived inside a book". Yes, 'great idea to scare children out of reading! StrictlyLogical 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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