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  1. Does consumerism make people happy? How come the rich and famous who have ovbiously benefitted the most from consumerism are often unhappy? Afterall they are the ultimate example of consumerism and materialistic. Take a look a look at people in Hollywood looking for alternative lifesyles ie Maddonna and Kabbala etc. Thanks for the head up. Heroin junkies do something incredibly dangerous and eventually become a burden on the government and society. The majority of religious people who I know are fully functioning people and members of society. I suppose you would advocate the abolition of of computer games as well. How many atheistic charities and hospitals are you familiar with? Do you rationalists give money and services to the needy the way Jewish and Cathoic organisations (to name a few) do? I didn't say that religion should impose itself forcefully. Thats why we have Democracy and individual liberties, at least in the West. I didn't say that religion in government is good. Sorry, I am talking about religion where people decide that that is what they want, not out of fear of projectiles. Your impression of religion might be slightly biased not to mention ignorant, "random smiting from the sky??" You are using a random example and pinning it on all faiths. It is ovbious that all believers do not live in the miserable state that you describe. I am talking about religion in general, not pathetic examples. I am defending religion in general as a way of life, not specifics that apply to some but not all faiths.
  2. He's a politician, he can say that great balls of fire will come down from the heavens, and that the rocks that the sons of pigs and monkeys hide behind will reveal the jews. In other words its a load of BS, especially because their use of nuclear weapons will result in utter annihilation by an Israel second strike force. Are you saying that the Iranians welcome their own destruction. Because if they did then they would just give everyone a gun and march to Jerusalem. If they so desperatly want martyrdom then why are they postponing it? The fact is that they do not want their own destruction regardless of the amount of times they say this. Yes, the mullahs want to live just as much as Stalin did. Although it is very possible that the KGB assasinated him for that very reason, that he was on the verge of starting a war with the US. I happen to agree with the majority of your statements, however this quote is untrue. Palestine is the landmass including the present day State of Israel and the nation of Jordan. If you are going to say there is no Palestinian people then you have to admitt that there is no such thing as an American people. How can you call them squatters if they lived and died in that land for a long while before the Zionists came? Of course there were Jews in the land before Zionism began, but they lived side by side with their arab neighbors together in retched poverty. Their claim to the land is valid, but not more so than that of the Jews. Although it is a legitimate nationalism, its advent is inherently anti-Jewish because you will note that it appeared after Zionism and seemingly as a artificial response to Zionism and not because of spontaneous nationalistic fervor. This is further proven by the utter lack of nationalistic zeal on the part of the Palestinians from 1948-1963.
  3. All religions bring much happiness to billions of people around the world. To hope for their demise is lunacy. Do you propose the fulfilling culture of consumerism in its place? It gives billions of people fulfillment and you want to take that away!?! The fact is that current interpertations of certain religious docterines is what is to be hoped away. Of course the imposition of a religion by force is awful and if it leads to violence all the worse. However to urge its utter destruction is unfair to the people whose life is defined by it. Also it is worth mentioning that while Western society was rotting away under the Church during the Middle Ages, Islamic society was flourishing. Books have been written on those advances that Islamic society produced. It is more than ovbious that Islam can be compatible with progress albeit not in the present form that we in the western world have been accustomed to.
  4. what about the israeli bomb? do u really think that iran would nuke israel knowing good and well that israel has a nuclear arsenal? I find it hard to believe that iran would risk nuclear annihilation in order to attack israel with nuclear weapons. interestingly enough nuclear weapons in the hands of both the US and USSR is what avoided a third world war. See the theory of Mutually Assured Destruction aka MAD. forcing a democratic palestinian state may be a good idea.
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