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    Ogg_Vorbis reacted to KyaryPamyu in Reblogged:Left 'White'-Washes Anti-Semitism   
    According to Plato, known existents are actually shadows or copies of pure Ideas located in the Hyperuranion. Likewise, in a materialist framework, mental "existents" (percepts) are mere shadows or copies of pure Things located in the Physical™ world.
    The idea is that mind-stuff is unable to produce matter, because of the Law of Identity: mind-stuff has an identity that is toto genere different from the identity of matter. On the other hand, matter can easily produce mind-stuff because.. it just can, okay?
    Peikoff is constantly oscillating between different meanings of the word "consciousness", according to what is convenient for his purposes. At the beginning of the quoted part, he takes "consciousness" to mean passive awareness of objects; he then shifts to a broader meaning which encompasses volitional aspects, like fantasizing/desiring that the food disappears.
    It doesn't seem to occur to Peikoff that, as per the Law of Identity, even if a mind was able to productively create the entirety of the contents of consciousness, the creative process itself would not be "free", but constrained by certain laws. I'm free to draw a line in my mind, but I'm not free to do so without making use of point and space. The laws of geometry are the necessary "stage" for freely drawing the line, which is to say: the mind produces not just one kind of representation (drawing the line) but also the representation of the lawful backdrop (point and space).
    Metaphysics is not as simple as trying to make food disappear.
    Here is the original claim:
    And this cannot be stressed enough. Man can err, yet at the same time be completely convinced that he is merely "following reality". Try to challenge his assertions, and you're met with replies such as "Well.. is 2+2=4?!", implying that, since he was merely following "reality", his conclusion was pristine and perfect.
    The only "authority" is intellectual honesty when dealing with reality.
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    Ogg_Vorbis got a reaction from tadmjones in Reblogged:Left 'White'-Washes Anti-Semitism   
    It also occurs to me that the idea that it is irrational to entertain even the possibility of a supernatural being leads to censorship of the mind. This is the rational taking to an extreme. 
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    Ogg_Vorbis got a reaction from Boydstun in Unveiling Ayn Rand's Misinterpretation: Kant's Noumenal Realm and the Fallacy of the Consequent   
    I always learn something from these conversations. It just so happens that I am used to addressing first generation Objectivists who were, on the whole, completely obsessed with Rand's philosophy. I'm aware that this attitude may have toned down with the new generation. But my primary experience with Objectivism is with the first generation, and they were quite shrill, I can assure you. And they still are, those that are still around anyway.
    For example,
    "But Kant said..." <BLOCKED>
    If you are a first-generation Objectivist with a more open mind, then I salute you.
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    Ogg_Vorbis got a reaction from tadmjones in Is there a recording of the Albert Ellis/NB debate?   
    G.K. Chesterton is mostly right.
    'I stated  later that objectivism [sic] posits goals “that are not even desirable: commitment to the maintenance of a full intellectual focus, to the constant expansion of one’s understanding and knowledge, and to never permitting oneself contradictions. If any individual were truly as devoted to these goals as the objectivists [sic] urge him to be, he would be compulsively rational­­ and therefore inhuman and irrational.' -Albert Ellis, Is Objectivism a Religion?
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    Ogg_Vorbis got a reaction from Jon Letendre in Is there a recording of the Albert Ellis/NB debate?   
    G.K. Chesterton is mostly right.
    'I stated  later that objectivism [sic] posits goals “that are not even desirable: commitment to the maintenance of a full intellectual focus, to the constant expansion of one’s understanding and knowledge, and to never permitting oneself contradictions. If any individual were truly as devoted to these goals as the objectivists [sic] urge him to be, he would be compulsively rational­­ and therefore inhuman and irrational.' -Albert Ellis, Is Objectivism a Religion?
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    Ogg_Vorbis got a reaction from Boydstun in Is there a recording of the Albert Ellis/NB debate?   
    G.K. Chesterton is mostly right.
    'I stated  later that objectivism [sic] posits goals “that are not even desirable: commitment to the maintenance of a full intellectual focus, to the constant expansion of one’s understanding and knowledge, and to never permitting oneself contradictions. If any individual were truly as devoted to these goals as the objectivists [sic] urge him to be, he would be compulsively rational­­ and therefore inhuman and irrational.' -Albert Ellis, Is Objectivism a Religion?
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    Ogg_Vorbis got a reaction from Jon Letendre in Reblogged:Left 'White'-Washes Anti-Semitism   
    The Golden Mean is contextual and rational. 
    "False. A workaholic lifestyle is a pretense, not an excess." Obviously wrong. It could be pretentious excess, but it is still excessive.
    "False. There is no such thing as excessive pride. Arrogance is false pride, it's a pretense, because it doesn't have the reality to back it up." False pride and arrogance are similar but not synonymous. Arrogance does not equal false pride. Perhaps you should use an older dictionary.
    "False. Emotional repression is false rationality, it's a pretense that consists of evading one's emotions." Emotional repression is not the same as "false rationality." They aren't even in the same category. 
    Productivity, as used by Rand, is a floating abstraction. "All work is creative work if done by a thinking mind."(?) The idea that all work is creative work if done by a thinking mind, while obviously false, would include the writing of Mein Kampf and Das Kapital as creative, productive works. 
    From: https://www.objectivistliving.com/topic/12562-albert-ellis-n-branden-debate/
    It's the "nothing but" type of thinking that takes it to the extreme.
    "Nothing but" productivity? Workaholism.
    "Nothing but" rationality? Emotional repression. If you say emotions are included in rationality, you got it from Rand who got it from NB.
    "Nothing but" pride? Arrogance. Lack of humility. 
    "Nothing but" independence? This leads to missing out on the valuable insights of others.
    "Nothing but" justice? This leads to a "show no mercy" mentality. 
    "Nothing but" integrity? This leads to unnecessary moral rigidity.
    "Nothing but" honesty? Sure, if you like hurting people's feelings. But we don't care about that, do we.
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    Ogg_Vorbis got a reaction from Pokyt in Reblogged:Left 'White'-Washes Anti-Semitism   
    That was screen-capped from Google Gemini. 
     
    I see the term "anti-value" used a few times on this forum, but "anti-virtue" isn't as common.
    There is no such thing, of course. Productivity is a virtue, even if someone else doesn't like the product. Hitler and Marx produced books by practicing the virtue of productivity. Whether the books are morally valuable to someone else is irrelevant. 
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    Ogg_Vorbis got a reaction from DavidOdden in Reblogged:Left 'White'-Washes Anti-Semitism   
    "The laughing-face emoticon is an exemplar of an intellectually dishonest tool, which should be obliterated from this forum." David Odden
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    Ogg_Vorbis got a reaction from Jon Letendre in Reblogged:Left 'White'-Washes Anti-Semitism   
    "The laughing-face emoticon is an exemplar of an intellectually dishonest tool, which should be obliterated from this forum." David Odden
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    Ogg_Vorbis got a reaction from DavidOdden in Reblogged:Left 'White'-Washes Anti-Semitism   
    That was screen-capped from Google Gemini. 
     
    I see the term "anti-value" used a few times on this forum, but "anti-virtue" isn't as common.
    There is no such thing, of course. Productivity is a virtue, even if someone else doesn't like the product. Hitler and Marx produced books by practicing the virtue of productivity. Whether the books are morally valuable to someone else is irrelevant. 
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    Ogg_Vorbis reacted to tadmjones in Is there a recording of the Albert Ellis/NB debate?   
    "In the course of my initial presentation during the debate, I quoted Miss Rand's statement (from "The Objectivist Ethics") that 'happiness is possible only to a rational man, the man who desires nothing but rational values and finds his joy in nothing but rational actions'. Could anyone ever be happy when held to this extreme standard? I asked. And scores of voices from the audience screamed back (somewhat to my surprise): Yes!!!" (294).
    That reminded me of GK Chesterton, in the 2nd chapter of his Orthodoxy , presents his oft quoted aphorism "The madman is not the man who has lost his reason. The madman is the man who has lost everything except his reason".
    And ends it with " But that transcendentalism by which all men live has primarily much the position of the sun in the sky. We are conscious of it as of a kind of splendid confusion; it is something both shining and shapeless, at once a blaze and a blur. But the circle of the moon is as clear and unmistakable, as recurrent and inevitable, as the circle of Euclid on a blackboard. For the moon is utterly reasonable; and the moon is the mother of lunatics and has given to them all her name. "

     
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    Ogg_Vorbis reacted to DavidOdden in Reblogged:Left 'White'-Washes Anti-Semitism   
    Producing things of objective value is unconditionally a virtue. Not everything created is an objective value (example: Das Kapital; Mein Kampf). Keeping with the context of Trump as our Supreme Leader, it is irrelevant whether he produces value in real estate, since the job of POTUS is to execute the laws of the United States, not to manipulate the economy or make a profit off of real estate deals. Applying the relevant criteria, Trump is an anti-virtue, as president.
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