DavidV Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewRyan Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 I love the second person telling her not to use reason. What site is that from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidV Posted December 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 http://bibleforums.org/forum/showthread.php?t=152548 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian0918 Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 I think it's time for an intervention. This Bex4Jesus definitely seems like she's struggling between her rational mind and the nonsense she's had pounded into her brain. It's a perfect time to introduce her to a rational morality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thales Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 You have to respect her for questioning those things so incisively and have contempt for the b**** who responded with such tripe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEgoist Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 So I registered on the forum, but they closed the topic because there were too many non-Christians posting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prosperity Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 (edited) http://bibleforums.org/forum/showthread.php?t=152548 I'm just curious...why do you hang out in Bible forums? Second Question: Can we post a question about whether God can create a mathematical equation so complex that even He cannot solve it or would that be against TOS? Edited December 30, 2008 by prosperity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian0918 Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 I also registered, and received an "infraction" for trying to PM Bex4Jesus - most likely it is simply an anti-spam measure. It directed me to post a test message in a forum for moderators. We'll see how it goes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
softwareNerd Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 (edited) The couple of large Christian forums I've checked out require people to declare if they're Christian or not, and they usually have that info next to your name and avatar. So, right off the bat, you're going to have a tough time if you try to explain your viewpoint as an atheist. Some of the forums restrict things you can do (like PMing) until you have participated enough: e.g. posted NN times. There was one forum that allowed you to PM people and do some other things (like add a signature) if you got a certain number of "blessings". Posting was a way to earn blessings, but others could also bless you, but having over some of their blessings. I registered on a forum like that a year or so ago. I had declared myself to be an atheist, and had joined to ask for some information for a Christian relative. After that, some threads by saner people intrigued me and I figured I might be within the rules to respond politely, and let my signature be the means to more information. Problem was: how to get blessings without having to post too much? Then it struck me: these are altruistic Christians. The forum had started me out with 5 blessings. So, I simply looked around for 5 sweet sounding female posters and blessed them, exhausting my blessings in the process. It worked! They blessed me back many-fold, and I ended up with the 30 blessings I needed! No false pretenses were used in the making of that signature In general, remember that forums are like private property. Respect that, and stick within the rules. Edited December 30, 2008 by softwareNerd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 (edited) I read in that thread where she can't turn her brain off. It is telling that her rational faculty is rejecting the irrationality of what she has been taught. There is hope for her yet. If she dosen't allow these people to convince her to just "believe" she will come to the proper conclusions on her own. It wouldn't hurt to have a little nudge from an Objectivist, though. Edited December 30, 2008 by Maximus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian0918 Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 It turns out an admin blocked me specifically for labeling myself "not a christian" and trying to PM Bex4Jesus. She believes I'm part of the "atheist group" that spammed that thread originally. I've sent a response that I am not connected with them and have no intention of harassing anyone, as she claimed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 They are afraid you'll lead the sheep astray. They, like the old Soviets, need to build walls to keep thier people in, which is rather telling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian0918 Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 (edited) Here is the response I received from that admin. Note the last sentence: Brian, I will reverse your infraction and you may post on the board. Please read the board rules and the fact that as a non-Christian you are limited to posting in Introductions, Christians Answer, Kicking Back, and Chat to the Moderators. If you contact the person in the original thread, most likely you will be banned without further warning. Having no interest in dealing with this forum anymore, I did some simple googling and think I've tracked down the individual on facebook. I sent her a message on there. I also let that admin know all of this. Edited December 30, 2008 by brian0918 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prosperity Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 They are afraid you'll lead the sheep astray. They, like the old Soviets, need to build walls to keep thier people in, which is rather telling. I also noticed that there are an awful lot of "tell me what to do" posts on there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEgoist Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 I also received an infraction for PMing Bex4Jesus. It was a rather lengthy message, as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian0918 Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 (edited) Yeah, I hit the back button quick and saved my text to a file. It doesn't look like the message was sent. I'll let you know if the person on Facebook responds. Edited December 30, 2008 by brian0918 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prosperity Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 Yeah, I hit the back button quick and saved my text to a file. It doesn't look like the message was sent. I'll let you know if the person on Facebook responds. In the meantime, maybe you can handle this one: http://bibleforums.org/forum/showthread.php?t=151676 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greebo Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 (edited) Bear in mind that, as that forum is privately owned, they have every right to administer it as they see fit, including shutting advocates of reason such as ourselves out, if they so choose. It would not be good for us to disrespect their property rights in pursuit of our own agenda which, for one, is adamantly in support of property rights. Edited December 30, 2008 by Greebo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
softwareNerd Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 I agree with Greebo. Be respectful of their rights. Also, the analogy with the Soviets is incorrect: this is not about building walls to keep people out. We do exactly the same thing here. We would not tolerate Christians coming here and trying to convert people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian0918 Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 (edited) Bear in mind that, as that forum is privately owned, they have every right to administer it as they see fit, including shutting advocates of reason such as ourselves out, if they so choose. It would not be good for us to disrespect their property rights in pursuit of our own agenda which, for one, is adamantly in support of property rights. Of course. Nobody here has said otherwise. I told that admin that I disagree with their practices but will respect them as it is their right. I then told them that even though they would not allow me to contact her through their site, I still found that person through Facebook. Edited December 30, 2008 by brian0918 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadkat Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 Damn I feel so bad for this girl, I just wish I could talk to her. And I'm angry with all these people trying to kill off her reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
softwareNerd Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 (edited) Damn I feel so bad for this girl, I just wish I could talk to her. And I'm angry with all these people trying to kill off her reason.Brian can put you in touch with her. She doesn't realize how many people wish her well! Edited December 30, 2008 by softwareNerd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greebo Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 Of course. Nobody here has said otherwise. I told that admin that I disagree with their practices but will respect them as it is their right. I then told them that even though they would not allow me to contact her through their site, I still found that person through Facebook. And that's a very proper way to do it, IMO. I wasn't trying to single anyone out - just felt it important to stress that their forum admins have every right to run their forum that way. Like nerd said - it's not at all comparable to the Soviet walls. Those forum members are there voluntarily. I was simply concerned that someone from here might get a little... overzealous? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian0918 Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 I got a response - that was not her. It is a person who goes by Bex4Jesus, just not the right Bex4Jesus.... yeesh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mammon Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 Then it struck me: these are altruistic Christians. The forum had started me out with 5 blessings. So, I simply looked around for 5 sweet sounding female posters and blessed them, exhausting my blessings in the process. It worked! They blessed me back many-fold, and I ended up with the 30 blessings I needed! No false pretenses were used in the making of that signature Always the crafty investor eh? Yeah, I hit the back button quick and saved my text to a file. It doesn't look like the message was sent. I'll let you know if the person on Facebook responds. I'd advice against trying to find her on Facebook. Not that I don't feel for her. But, we are all strangers here and my experiences with these situations leads me to believe that people view it as creepy if strangers start PMing you about random stuff. Woman especially seem to get creeped out, regardless of intentions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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