Space Patroller Posted March 29, 2009 Report Share Posted March 29, 2009 Well, I did put in a request to one of our Canadian members to burn a couple of killowatts for me, since I live in the Peoples' Republic of Messatuschitts:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadesofgrey Posted July 1, 2009 Report Share Posted July 1, 2009 Don't forget this is the mentality we are up against. Not to be childish or alarmist or anything Heheh.....it's funny because it's true..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zip Posted July 1, 2009 Report Share Posted July 1, 2009 Heheh.....it's funny because it's true..... Are you claiming that we humans are a blight on the earth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadesofgrey Posted July 1, 2009 Report Share Posted July 1, 2009 Are you claiming that we humans are a blight on the earth? Hardly, I dig humans. Just the wanton destruction part. We need to do it with more finesse. It's all about balance. (I watched it without sound, so I didn't hear any narration or anything). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zip Posted July 1, 2009 Report Share Posted July 1, 2009 Hardly, I dig humans. Just the wanton destruction part. We need to do it with more finesse. It's all about balance. (I watched it without sound, so I didn't hear any narration or anything). Watch it with sound so you can see what you are "missing" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whYNOT Posted July 1, 2009 Report Share Posted July 1, 2009 Hi shadesofgrey, excuse me for saying, but have you considered getting more black and white? Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadesofgrey Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 (edited) Hi shadesofgrey, excuse me for saying, but have you considered getting more black and white? Tony No worries man. I have, actually. Well, in reality I used to be very black and white. I still am on a bunch of issues. I just found that as I grow my efforts are better spent finding common ground with people than cramming my ideas down their throats. You catch more flies with honey, you know? I know, I know, I'm an immoral, fascist, compromising fool/weakling/traitor. I'm not in 100% agreement with objectivism (maybe 80%), which is why I'm on here. I ask questions, talk to people, try to find out what I don't know rather than fighting an uninformed battle. It's interesting. Most of the people on here are pretty hardcore objectivists. Some people are cool, some aren't. I've learned a lot already and it gives me a good feel for the objectivist collective. But where we differ, we differ. Take the environment for example. I was an environmentalist way back before it was "cool". I've loved nature since I was a kid and no amount of money or productivity is going to change that because I know that on an entirely different level, a forest is "working" in ways and "producing" things that mankind could never replicate. It doesn't mean the two can't live cohesively in peace. Man and nature are SUPPOSED to coexist. We don't have to live in huts without electricity and we don't have to cut down every tree in the world either. It's a balance. It's shades of grey I turn off my lights, I recycle, I watch my gas mileage...but I've ALWAYS done those things because I thought that's how I should treat the world in which I live. I should clarify that I don't even really view this as a compromise; I like the natural world and I want it around me. I don't buy the global warming argument, I don't care if you drive a Hummer, I don't think most environmentalists have much of a sense of history. I think it's a shame the Amazon is being flattened, but I would never tell someone they couldn't build a house or plant a crop because there's a forest there. Mankind IS the dominant species on the planet and we can do whatever we want to the place, even if it means our own demise. Hopefully rational minds will prevail and that won't be the case. Update: Ha! It's funnier with sound I especially like the 1950s-style narrative. Edited July 2, 2009 by shadesofgrey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadesofgrey Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 It's perfectly fine not to participate. However, it is dropping context to call it a waste. That would be true if the organizers were advocating an increased use of power in general. Instead, this is a symbolic protest and/or celebration, depending on how one looks at it. The Xmas lights comparison is apt, because those aren't a waste either, if done for the right reasons. I think this is excellent justification for the protest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whYNOT Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 Hi shades, Okay, I jumped the gun there, and was a little facetious. I had a strong reaction to the cartoon clip you posted. By it's bombastic, bullying tone, I saw it as pure propaganda. But much worse, in its style and presentation, it 's being directed at youngsters who will lap it up as gospel, shaping them into nice, little eco-collectivists before they're able to think for themselves. So I couldn't take any humour from it, or want to find any balance on the issue. (But I see that you have a well-considered point of view, and my respect goes to anyone who holds independent thought as the ultimate.) It is I think an 'evil' that the ecologists have perpetrated - their tactics have caused such a schism, that today one is forced to pick one side or the other, Man, or Nature. I have tried to educate myself on environmentalism by following sites like Scarewatch and the Heartland Institute, as well the Objectivist reasoning, and what they all have in common is this: What Man has done, Man can fix. Also, that with the minimum of State involvement, rational people will 'self-regulate', and be self-responsible, through self-interest alone - to say nothing of their benevolence. I agree with the O'ist position 1. that mankind has survived and prospered by utilising Nature via Reason 2. mankind is facing the threat of nihilistic anti-lifers who're in bed with the Statist- altruists. [My interpretation] Beween them, our freedom is at risk. To an O'ist who takes Man's life as an absolute value, Nature and his planet will never be threatened; the dichotomy that radical ecologists have posited, is a false one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllMenAreIslands Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 Hi shades, Okay, I jumped the gun there, and was a little facetious. I had a strong reaction to the cartoon clip you posted. Just an FYI - Zip posted the cartoon as an example of what we're up against, and shades reposted it as a quote because he was responding to it (I'm still not sure what shades is referring to with his "it's funny because it's true" comment but maybe he will enlighten me.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadesofgrey Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 Just an FYI - Zip posted the cartoon as an example of what we're up against, and shades reposted it as a quote because he was responding to it (I'm still not sure what shades is referring to with his "it's funny because it's true" comment but maybe he will enlighten me.) I wasn't making any real point about it being funny...it's just a line Homer Simpson says that I find amusing. I found the clip humorous because it's so extreme. Kind of like that old "Reefer Madness" movie from the 50s that is in no way based in reality. The narration was pretty similar in style, too. Humans may damage the planet depending on the viewpoint you take, or they may not. Obviously we humans as a species are not a rampaging virus bent on wanton destruction of the natural world (there may be a couple individuals out there like that, but they're exceptions). To portray humans as such is absurd to the point of amusement to me. I understand whYNOT may take offense to the clip for the reasons he mentioned, and that's fine. To me it's just silly. It's one of those things I couldn't bother to get worked up about because whomever created it is SO far off-base that it wouldn't even be worth the time it took trying to convince them otherwise. Along the same theme, not every environmentalist is a filthy socialist caveman bent on the wanton destruction of all things manmade (and as before, some individuals are, but they're exceptions). So, to view them as such is also laughable to me. Statistically, MOST people fall somewhere in the middle. Most people are live in a normal dwelling, work a normal job and either lean slightly towards the left or right politically, favoring either a stricter environmental policy or a more pro-business policy (shades of grey, if you will ). So, in order to get people to come over to your side (a more pro-business side in this case), you'd best apply your effort to those more towards the middle rather than wasting time and resources fighting extremists who will never agree with you no matter what (the same logic applies to moderate environmentalists). I look at clips like the one above and I think: "Really. You REALLY think humans are like that. We're ALL just like that. Yup. You nailed it." *dripping with sarcasm* So, not to make light of your cause or anything, but I wouldn't even worry about that because if someone takes that clip as gospel, there's nothing you're going to be able to do to make them think otherwise. They're already not listening to reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate T. Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 *bump* Not doing anything particularly out of the ordinary tonight as far as energy usage. My protest will be to place an incandescent bulb in my front porch light without the cover and leave it on during the hour, and otherwise enjoy using electricity as I see fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Wolf Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 I totally heard nothing about Earth Hour until I went to Whole Foods today. Whatever. I didn't participate in Earth Hour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flatlander Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 I turned on every light in my house as well as my 42" plasma TV. Turned my thermostat up to a cozy 74F. Took a nice, long, hot shower to wash the day away. Played wii Sports Resort for about half an hour. Drank bottled water and ate a pepperoni stick as a snack. Hmmm, I could really go for a cappucino right now, the question is do I fire up my Krups pump-driven espresso machine or drive to the Starbucks on the opposite end of town? Maybe I will take the scenic route when I pick up my wife from work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Wolf Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 (edited) To those of you who are purposely consuming more to send a message of anti-environmentalism, stop doing that. The people participating in Earth Hour are doing a bang up job of condeming the environment on their own, they don't need your help. Shutting off all of your appliances for one hour will cause more power consumption at the end of said hour as all of your appliances, such as refrigerators, come back online. If all of businesses and residences shut off their power for that one hour and then turned it all on at the same time, there's a good chance the grid could be overloaded. Face it, you know environmentalists were just staring at the clock waiting to turn it off. Edited March 28, 2010 by Black Wolf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 Didn't know this nonsense was coming up again, but I would have just ignored it. Let the damn hippies sit in the dark, I have things to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Wolf Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 It's sort of ironic that the supporters of Earth Hour advocate lighting candles instead of using electricity, when most lit candles emit more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. [Source 1] [Source 2] Actually, jews were asked not to light menorahs anymore because of this. Environmentalism leads to anti-semitism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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