Fenriz Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 Agree with a lot of the movies so far (with the possible exception of The Game). Two of my own additions: The Last Samurai: Tom Cruise as an American soldier in the 19th century who goes to live among the Samurai in Japan. This movie glorifies a very brutal, misogynistic, and death-loving culture. Skip this movie and watch the miniseries Shogun. The Matrix Reloaded and The Matrix Revolutions: Just the fact that Cornel West has a small part in this film as one of the Councillors of Zion should be hint that there is some very bad philosophy at work in these sequels to the awesome first film. Check out Confused Matthew's reviews of The Matrix Sequels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jill Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 Waking Life - Animated post-modern, mystic, philosophical trash I didn't care much for the explicit philosophy, but I liked Waking Life a lot as an accurate portrayal of a dream experience. It's unfair to mix it with the other horribles in this thread, I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axiomatic Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 I didn't care much for the explicit philosophy, but I liked Waking Life a lot as an accurate portrayal of a dream experience. It's unfair to mix it with the other horribles in this thread, I think. The whole movie was explicitly bad philosophically. It belongs here much more than some of the other movies people have posted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jill Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 I could care less. I still like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axiomatic Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 I could care less. I still like it. Why? The guy dies into a dream and meets a whole bunch of bad philosophers that babble incoherently for 2 hours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris.S Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 Seven Pounds is really bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axiomatic Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 Seven Pounds is really bad. Yeah, that movie was seriously messed up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister A Posted July 8, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 Seven Pounds is really bad. Wow. Just reading the plot summary on wiki made my skin crawl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
01503 Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 (edited) The Matrix Reloaded and The Matrix Revolutions: Just the fact that Cornel West has a small part in this film as one of the Councillors of Zion should be hint that there is some very bad philosophy at work in these sequels to the awesome first film. Cornel West also was one of the two people participating in--and talking much more than the other man, New Age-ist Ken Wilber--the "philosophical commentary" in the trilogy. In the commentaries, he claims to be close friends (they both do, IIRC) with the Wachowski Brothers. I have watched it a few times, a long time ago, back when I was first getting into philosophy. Comes in the "Ultimate Matrix Collection". I have it. Edited July 8, 2009 by NickS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zip Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 "The Happening." The most anti-man piece of big-screen flotsam ever produced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capitalism Forever Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 Polar Express. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jill Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 Polar Express. The cartoon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
01503 Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 "The Happening." The most anti-man piece of big-screen flotsam ever produced. Seconded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wrath Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 Philosophy aside, that movie just sucks. It makes me wonder what happened to M. Night Shyamalan. Sixth Sense, Unbreakable, and Signs were all outstanding movies. Then he punished us with The Village, Lady in the Water, and The Happening, all of which are probably in the top 20 worst movies I've ever seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris.S Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 Unbreakable was really good. Haven't seen it in years though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capitalism Forever Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 Polar Express. The cartoon? Yes. It's ironic, isn't it, that the movies that can do the most damage to your children are precisely the ones that don't come with any parental advisory--because they're made for children! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schtank Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 Knowing and the new The Day the Earth Stood Still Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axiomatic Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 (edited) You know, am I the only one who thought The Matrix was awful. Edited July 9, 2009 by Axiomatic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D'kian Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 You know, am I the only one who thought The Matrix was awful. Second. It had some innovative visual effects, yes, but not really spectacular. The story of Machine vs Man is a tired old rethread going waaaaaaay back to the earliest stages of the Industrial Revolution. But what really bugs me is that lots of people (none here thus far) say they like it because it's a "philosophical movie." When pressed to say exactly what the movie's philosophy is, they do a really bad impression of Kiff Kroker "Ah...ummm. tscha... er.. ah..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wrath Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 Second. It had some innovative visual effects, yes, but not really spectacular. The story of Machine vs Man is a tired old rethread going waaaaaaay back to the earliest stages of the Industrial Revolution. But what really bugs me is that lots of people (none here thus far) say they like it because it's a "philosophical movie." When pressed to say exactly what the movie's philosophy is, they do a really bad impression of Kiff Kroker "Ah...ummm. tscha... er.. ah..." The movie poses philosophical questions, but doesn't really try to answer them. How can you watch that movie and not see the philosophical questions that it poses? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve D'Ippolito Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 .... alas, when they made the sequels, they decided that the philosophical "discussion" and fight scenes were what made the movie a success, and exagerated both. The philosophical content of the second movie was a completely incoherent babbling, and the fight scenes were pointless since by that time Neo could just leave if he wanted to. I didn't bother with the third movie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D'kian Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 The movie poses philosophical questions, but doesn't really try to answer them. How can you watch that movie and not see the philosophical questions that it poses? You know, we had this discussion last year. In lieu of repeating myself, I offer this link: http://forum.ObjectivismOnline.com/index.p...matrix&st=0 Enjoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wrath Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 You know, we had this discussion last year. In lieu of repeating myself, I offer this link: http://forum.ObjectivismOnline.com/index.p...matrix&st=0 Enjoy I remember that conversation, but didn't remember that it was you. I'll just rehash my same point, which is that the philosophical subtext is undeniable. Whether you think it is good/bad philosophy or whether you think is does a good job addressing the issues is not the point. The point is that it is there and that virtually everyone who watches it recognizes it...even people (like myself at the time, as well as all my 16 year-old friends) who have absolutely no knowledge of philosophy. .... alas, when they made the sequels, they decided that the philosophical "discussion" and fight scenes were what made the movie a success, and exagerated both. The philosophical content of the second movie was a completely incoherent babbling, and the fight scenes were pointless since by that time Neo could just leave if he wanted to. I didn't bother with the third movie. The third is better than the second, but that isn't saying much. The reason the first one was cool was because it had innovative special effects, incredible fight scenes, and a just-below-the-surface philosophical subtext. The other 2 were basically showcases for ridiculously long fight scenes (which were less cool than the first, since they weren't new anymore) and outright philosophical sermons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axiomatic Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 Second. It had some innovative visual effects, yes, but not really spectacular. The story of Machine vs Man is a tired old rethread going waaaaaaay back to the earliest stages of the Industrial Revolution. But what really bugs me is that lots of people (none here thus far) say they like it because it's a "philosophical movie." When pressed to say exactly what the movie's philosophy is, they do a really bad impression of Kiff Kroker "Ah...ummm. tscha... er.. ah..." I just thought it was tired old Hollywood bastardized Plato. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D'kian Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 I remember that conversation, but didn't remember that it was you. I'll just rehash my same point, My previous answers stand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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