spaceplayer Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 http://www.robinhoodresponds.org/be-robin-hood.aspx Has anyone else seen the commercial for this on CNBC?Sorry, try not to puke, but you have to know your enemy and what you're up against. I have a feeling this in response to the "John Galt" signs at tea parties... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake_Ellison Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 Hopefully this idiot gets robbed of his trust fund, and has to get a real job soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thales Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 Robin Hood stole from the kings and lords who stole wealth from the peasantry. What he did back then, if he was real, was not wrong. What these guys want to do is steal from private citizens. This is morally repulsive and practically unworkable. Slave states don't work. Robin Hood was a bit of a Ragnar. A Robin Hood today would be stealing from the "elites" in power in Washington, who get money by taking from the citizenry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Erik Martinsen Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 Taking that which belongs to one person, and giving it to someone to whom it does not belong, is so idealistic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Erik Martinsen Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 Robin Hood stole from the kings and lords who stole wealth from the peasantry. What he did back then, if he was real, was not wrong. What these guys want to do is steal from private citizens. This is morally repulsive and practically unworkable. Slave states don't work. Robin Hood was a bit of a Ragnar. A Robin Hood today would be stealing from the "elites" in power in Washington, who get money by taking from the citizenry. I haven't read the tale in a very long time, but isn't it implied that he stole from the "bourgeoisie", meaning the upper class? That's probably how Rand understood it; Ragnar Danneskjöld explicitly states that he's out to destroy Robin Hood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyhawk Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 Its a charity. Where is this great act of Kantian/Tooheyite Evil? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thales Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 I haven't read the tale in a very long time, but isn't it implied that he stole from the "bourgeoisie", meaning the upper class? That's probably how Rand understood it; Ragnar Danneskjöld explicitly states that he's out to destroy Robin Hood. I'm sure she realized it, but she was referring to the symbol that Robin Hood came to embody in modern times, about which she was entirely right. I'm just referring to the fact that Robin Hood was in fact stealing from the non-productive thieves who were lords and kings of the day. Men were serfs working as forced laborers at the behest of royalty. Marxist rhetoric such as "bourgeoisie" came long after Robin Hood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris.S Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 Yeah, I'm not really sure where the problem is. It's a charity, and nowhere on their site are they saying to steal from the rich or promoting harsher regulations or taxes. Sure, Robin Hood may have been a sketchy hero, but the popular Disney and Kevin Costner portrayals have him fighting unjust royalty, and not because it was "for the poor", it was for himself (revenge and love). Also, I think they wanted to have a more specific heroic visual and catch-phrase. Rather than something like "Be a Hero", it's "Be Robin Hood". It invokes the visual of a rugged, swashbuckler-woodsman who helps out poor people. Donating to a large, branched, unspecified charity may not be your thing, but certainly there are people who have been in any of those tough situations and can sympathize and would like to help out. And with the economy going in the shitter, more and more people are in those situations. I think your time could be better spent rather than piss and moan about a seemingly benign charity organization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thales Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 Yeah, I'm not really sure where the problem is. It's a charity, and nowhere on their site are they saying to steal from the rich or promoting harsher regulations or taxes. Sure, Robin Hood may have been a sketchy hero, but the popular Disney and Kevin Costner portrayals have him fighting unjust royalty, and not because it was "for the poor", it was for himself (revenge and love). Also, I think they wanted to have a more specific heroic visual and catch-phrase. Rather than something like "Be a Hero", it's "Be Robin Hood". It invokes the visual of a rugged, swashbuckler-woodsman who helps out poor people. Donating to a large, branched, unspecified charity may not be your thing, but certainly there are people who have been in any of those tough situations and can sympathize and would like to help out. And with the economy going in the shitter, more and more people are in those situations. I think your time could be better spent rather than piss and moan about a seemingly benign charity organization. I think Chris may be right here. I didn't read anything beyond the first page, but I didn't get the sense they were talking about government grabbing our wealth. I could be wrong, but I don't have the time or desire to check it deeply. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spaceplayer Posted July 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 (edited) Zoinks. Edited July 23, 2009 by spaceplayer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyhawk Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 A key to philosophical detection and moral evaluation is to understand what one is dealing with. If someone says, "We should steal from the producers to give to useless trash" that can be obviously broken down to a bad philosophy and morally categorized accordingly. However leaping to moral judgement while thoroughly misunderstanding the obvious, saying that a charity that works by donation is evil and 'the enemy', is not a good sign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L-C Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 Robin Hood stole from the kings and lords who stole wealth from the peasantry. What he did back then, if he was real, was not wrong. What these guys want to do is steal from private citizens. This is morally repulsive and practically unworkable. Slave states don't work. Robin Hood was a bit of a Ragnar. A Robin Hood today would be stealing from the "elites" in power in Washington, who get money by taking from the citizenry. All true. Robin Hood has been "stolen" by modern leftists. Robin Hood did in fact only reclaim goods that were stolen to begin with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spaceplayer Posted July 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 A key to philosophical detection and moral evaluation is to understand what one is dealing with. If someone says, "We should steal from the producers to give to useless trash" that can be obviously broken down to a bad philosophy and morally categorized accordingly. However leaping to moral judgement while thoroughly misunderstanding the obvious, saying that a charity that works by donation is evil and 'the enemy', is not a good sign. I am not denigrating charity, I am calling out the usage of a certain symbol, one that Rand called out thoroughly in ATLAS. Don't tell me this organization does not realize the implications of using THAT symbol. Leaping to moral judgement? More like "read between the lines." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SapereAude Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 What I've read of Robin Hood was that he stole from the tax collectors and the recipients of the taxes and gave people back their own money and that later as socialism and liberalism grew it was twisted. The original stories of RW seem to have much more in line w/ a Ragnar like figure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thales Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 I am not denigrating charity, I am calling out the usage of a certain symbol, one that Rand called out thoroughly in ATLAS. Don't tell me this organization does not realize the implications of using THAT symbol. Leaping to moral judgement? More like "read between the lines." You're right about that symbol, spaceplayer. The motivating philosophy is altruism and it's certaintly the key enemy of liberty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-Mac Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 As long as they're voluntary donations, I could really care less what their charity is for. As soon as any type of force is involved, then I've got a problem with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 As long as they're voluntary donations, I could really care less what their charity is for. As soon as any type of force is involved, then I've got a problem with them. Yeah, when they hold me up in Sherwood Forest with longbows I'll get concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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