wishbone Posted February 28, 2005 Report Share Posted February 28, 2005 A Princeton philosophy professor has written a book named "On Bull...". He claims that a disregard for the truth is rampant in today's culture, at least in the US. Do you think so? Very briefly, this intellectual thinks that this indicate an "amoral" attitude, not an "immoral" attitude. People are not really lying these days, he seems to claim, they are merely making up whatever they like reality to be. This, according to him, is immoral. Does his own evaluation bear the seeds of the problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Posted February 28, 2005 Report Share Posted February 28, 2005 Not to comment on that man's work, so much as your own question: Do I think that disregard for the truth is rampant in today's culture? Yes. Because that is a key ingrediant for the disintegrated mind. To paraphrase how Dr. Peikoff put it, the man who wants to win at "Who wants to be a millionaire" on monday and wants to "soak the rich" on tuesday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominique Posted February 28, 2005 Report Share Posted February 28, 2005 Also to comment more on the question then on the article: Postmodernism : The world is meaningless? Let's not pretend that art can make meaning then, let's just play with nonsense ... I believe Objectivism would also say it is immoral as evasive and contradictory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AwakeAndFree Posted March 1, 2005 Report Share Posted March 1, 2005 Or postmodernism in History: Objectivity is impossible? Let's tell attractive stories that promote our leftist agendas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWDS Posted March 6, 2005 Report Share Posted March 6, 2005 I'd have to agree, generally BS is taken as fact. Anyone see Faranheit 9-11? On a different note, the otherwise whacky Z Magazine has a good article on this - http://www.zmag.org/ScienceWars/anti_rationalism.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EC Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 I'd have to agree, generally BS is taken as fact. Anyone see Faranheit 9-11? On a different note, the otherwise whacky Z Magazine has a good article on this - http://www.zmag.org/ScienceWars/anti_rationalism.htm If your an evil Marxist like you claim, Why are you "dissing" you partners in crime like Micheal Moore? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realitycheck44 Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 If your an evil Marxist like you claim, Why are you "dissing" you partners in crime like Micheal Moore? He's probably refering to the "lies" of the Bush administration, which were "exposed" by Fahrenheit 9/11. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AwakeAndFree Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 He's probably refering to the "lies" of the Bush administration, which were "exposed" by Fahrenheit 9/11. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EC Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 He's probably refering to the "lies" of the Bush administration, which were "exposed" by Fahrenheit 9/11. Wow, I didn't even think of it that way. I guess I never really thought people actually believed any of the propaganda in that movie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWDS Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 Whoa. Okay, to set the record straight, I was being sarcastic in the introductory section, hence the in the post. I was going to go back after the mod threatened to ban me and correct him, but its been moved to a section where I don't think that's possible. Now, I do tend farther to the left then the right but that should not be relevant in a discussion forum. As for ZMag, I went through an 8 hour phase of liking it, untill I realised it is little more than islamofascist apologetics and out-there thinkers like Howard Zinn. And Michael Moore's F-9/11 was a piece of crap, plain and simple. You should all read the article though, it has excllant examples of BS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realitycheck44 Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 You might want to start a new thread in the Introduction section and let everyone know who you really are. I honestly took you for a Marxist, and I'm relatively sure many others did too. Zak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfarmer Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 Wow, I didn't even think of it that way. Â I guess I never really thought people actually believed any of the propaganda in that movie. I used to live with a guy who took the movie very seriously (as did many of his friends). The sad thing is that he had read Anthem and Atlas Shrugged and he's still pro-left while trying to integrate Rand into his leftist philosophy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EC Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 I used to live with a guy who took the movie very seriously (as did many of his friends). The sad thing is that he had read Anthem and Atlas Shrugged and he's still pro-left while trying to integrate Rand into his leftist philosophy. Tell him, good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 I used to live with a guy who took the movie very seriously (as did many of his friends). The sad thing is that he had read Anthem and Atlas Shrugged and he's still pro-left while trying to integrate Rand into his leftist philosophy. Why does the image of a child trying to hammer the square peg into the round hole in his little playset come to mind? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iakeo Posted March 12, 2005 Report Share Posted March 12, 2005 A Princeton philosophy professor has written a book named "On Bull...". He claims that a disregard for the truth is rampant in today's culture, at least in the US. Do you think so? Very briefly, this intellectual thinks that this indicate an "amoral" attitude, not an "immoral" attitude. People are not really lying these days, he seems to claim, they are merely making up whatever they like reality to be. This, according to him, is immoral. Does his own evaluation bear the seeds of the problem? "Amorality", to me, is an impossibility, as any choice is a choice between being moral or not. Choosing "moral" choices 47% and "immoral" choices 43% of the time does not "mix into a gray A-morality." It is moral 47% and immoral 43%. Period. So,.. if amorality is not a possibility,.. where does that leave us..? "Disregard for truth", aka "evading reality" is always immoral, and most societies make it relatively easy to "evade reality" through pervasive collectivist silliness. So,.. yeah,.. it's true in America,.. and why does anyone PAY someone for stating the blindingly obvious, and letting them do it using irrational terms..!? <boggles the mind, don't it..!?> -Iakeo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punk Posted March 12, 2005 Report Share Posted March 12, 2005 A Princeton philosophy professor has written a book named "On Bull...". He claims that a disregard for the truth is rampant in today's culture, at least in the US. Do you think so? Very briefly, this intellectual thinks that this indicate an "amoral" attitude, not an "immoral" attitude. People are not really lying these days, he seems to claim, they are merely making up whatever they like reality to be. This, according to him, is immoral. Does his own evaluation bear the seeds of the problem? Is disregard for truth rampant in contemporary US culture: Yes. But the real question is it any worse now than in other time periods and other cultures in world history: No. Humanity as a whole has had very little interest in truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Roark Posted March 12, 2005 Report Share Posted March 12, 2005 A poem i wrote on the Subject. The Seeker I am seeking an object which Many others find it to be a bitch While the power of my mind is always Through out the rest of my long days Will be searching and striving for it Struggling and suffering for it Thirsting and hungering for it Nothing will ever quench this thirst Hell will have to freeze over first Before I ever give up this quandary Because it is with great sagacity And ever growing tenacity That I give the chase for the quandary This matter that is so elusive That it has become quit obtrusive Just how many pretend to know Treating my object of desire as a foe Listening to the sweet sounds of omission All the while it is with fervor commission They cast my quandary to the red flame Now they only have themselves to blame The means of their salvation is ash Giving up the future in one mad dash To have the illusion of the carefree Yet it is all based on the whim ridden plea Crying out that it is all just so unfair The world being so cruel, crass, full of no care So I accord them justice and their due For if they only had the inkling and knew That the very thing they scream against Rally and fight and clash against Is the very means to having it all The very thing leading to their downfall The quandary of my quest and my life It is joined to me as a loving wife For I am like a master sleuth Because I am the Seeker of Truth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
softwareNerd Posted March 12, 2005 Report Share Posted March 12, 2005 (editted for spelling and grammer) ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
softwareNerd Posted March 12, 2005 Report Share Posted March 12, 2005 ... any choice is a choice between being moral or not. ... How about the choice of ice-cream flavor: butterscotch or coconut? What about other optional choices: the choice of decor in our homes; our taste in buildings -- skyscrapers or chalets. Ethics does have something to say about these choices, but it does not tell us which one to choose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iakeo Posted March 12, 2005 Report Share Posted March 12, 2005 Ummm... hehe, uh... what about the other 10% of the time? (47% + 43% = 90%) (P.S. I know this was simply a arithmetical oversight... but it was funny. ) (editted for spelling and grammer) PANG..!!! Touche...! Hae ae ae ae ae.... Apparently I need an editor. Hae ae ae.. I'm such a card. I only wish I'd MEANT that as a joke. -Iakeo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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