tadmjones

The thread was sparse on philosophic arguments , I skimmed most of it the first time through because the discussion was mainly focused on technical mechanics of a highly improbable hypothetical. I did notice later someone commented on the possibility that equating identity with information violates A is A. Which from what I gathered was closer to the intent of the OP , but for the most part that was drowned out by back and forth on the physics of the hypothetical. Not to mention a full rending of Rand’s integration of body/mind. I respect your decision to not respond to any posts you choose to ignore , including and especially mine , just like in the past.

The thread is based on Gene Roddenberry’s Transporter a device in a script for a television series he started shopping around in 1964. The magical part was reference to the Standard Model not being standard until the 70’s, so in your context of incorrect but right answers being wrong, always, when based on so called mystical thinking should pertain to what are unproven or arbitrary claims. The discussion as it has evolved has touched on the aspect of creativity in bringing hypothesis into being. Einstein said his happiest thought was when he realized that if one experienced a situation of ‘free fall’ that one would experience the appearance of the absence of gravitational forces which sent him off into many of his further thought experiments. The experience of ‘person’ perspective of awareness is an explorable phenomenon for man on earth such exploration could lead to a tighter integration of the ideas advanced in the OP, no?

So my prodding will help to advance human knowledge? Derailing a thread on a thought experiment based on prescientific magical thinking , means getting Stacks TM is now possible? Predictions based on the hypothesis have been shown experimentally and are repeatable?

I’d have thought you’d rather a discussion centered on man on earth.

But.. Aristotle and Aryan start with .. I liked the mention of decorative frog statuettes( ? ) that floated after the salt dissolved, even more interactive than Chia pets lol.

Though I can't vouch for the scholarship or authenticity the name given as translator is the name of a translator of Aristotle. (I do think the item mistakenly attributes to Aristotle recognition of white as a beautiful aspect of man,pretty sure he was talking about the horse,lol). But in regards to old time thoughts on dreams : http://classics.mit.edu/Aristotle/dreams.html I would think there is an intuitive sense of the mind or intellect being "situated in" the head based on sense organ placement, no? A rudimentary intuitive engineering schema, put the stuff you need right where you need it? I think though the 'host' spot of the soul, an old timey concept could really go anywhere. There may be something to the idea that 'modernity' has changed our semantic description of or even perhaps conditioned our apprehension of the 'person' perspective of various states of consciousness, but with my newly acquired ochre colored glasses I am hyperfocused on awareness, on the subjectivity of experience and I do not see that as differing even when dreaming. I can sense that when coming out of dream state and trying to re-enter I will try and guide the content to reengage especially a dream I felt as pleasant. But for most of remembered dream experience, it is as though "I" am subject to all the vagaries of cause and effect while being 'present' in the dream.

Yes that is quite the trick, a little leaky though ,lol, at least in the mammals I’ve known. One of our dogs used to run sleep, and another was a dream yipper. I remember some episodes as a youngster of sleep walking , the last few decades I developed the habit of finding myself propped up on my elbow after have been asleep, surprised I don’t have nerve damage the wrist isn’t designed to be in that position ,lol. Freud is speaking to the content of the movie , I’m still concerned here commenting on the subjective experience.

Does the first person experience of awareness change or fizzle when dreaming? The world you are aware of or experiencing while dreaming is generated by the mind and is different from the world you are aware of when you are awake, but 'your awareness' is the same in both and ' you' experience both in the first person, no ?

Intentionally harm without necessity, and with malice. And an added connotation, among others, that wanton action ignorant of or purposefully ignorant of possible harmful consequences is unethical. At least that is the impression I have of a more general and overarching frame of the moral character of principles of dharma. Morality tainted by Abrahamic religions and rejected on the basis of the concept of sin. Where as Krishna was not justifying or prompting Arjuna to take action against sin/sinners, but to perform his duty as situated in possible action or inaction for positive ends as against negative ones.

You do know that dharmic principles are based on the idea that intentionally causing harm is ‘wrong’ and that heeding the principles are appropriate to one’s self to avoid negative consequences to the self.

Stephen Yes I can imagine drawing such a sketch, but I don’t somehow associate the ‘knowing’ with a visual image that ‘provides’ the authentification of the knowing ? Corpus callosum variation ,perhaps? Those with internal visual imagery ‘deficiencies ‘ maybe have access to spatial reasoning ‘output’ without seeing the sausage being made, lol.

You think the principles of dharma are incorrect , but they do exist as principles and millions of people for thousands of years have lived by them. Everything of religious origin should be shunned? Moral rational people would not or should not experience reverence for a story about the ideal man in flesh and bone , whose tenets if followed would bring one to a state nearer perfection?

Multinational alliances would need to be in place and acted on for a world war. War between individual nation states usually involve territorial expansion/control as a result or most likely intention regardless rhetoric used by regimes to instigate populations.

Sorry , yes I have a habit of not using the quote feature 'enough'.

All true based on a strict materialism. Non strict materialism has concepts like dharmic principles that incorporate ideas that allow for distinctions of relationship between consciousness and the gross physical realm. A 'space(as the kids say)' for nature to have an identity that allows for cognition of the appearance and experience of physicality without dispensing with the reality of the subjectivity of experience(consciousness). When you say 'rational consciousness' do you see volitional as concomitant to 'rationality' ?