Jon Letendre

Yes, "covid-19" wasn't the first "outbreak". The earlier ones, in retrospect, look like preparatory, regional trial "epidemics" for the global "covid-19 pandemic", when added with the pandemic simulations conducted by government/medical representatives during the year prior to the March 11 WHO pandemic declaration: simulations such as "Event 201" and "Crimson Contagion", the latter based on the scenario of a virus outbreak in Wuhan!

No, I don't know (but I haven't read all her updates) of any FOI requests by Christine Massey or her team for records of other microbes having been isolated, such as a specific bacterium or cancerous cell.  I presume they were interested in SARS-CoV-2, primarily, and other infectious viruses, secondarily. That they did not do the "test-run" you suggested does not, alone, explain why the "no records found" results. As I said, in my previous reply to you:
The FOI requests were carefully worded to ensure that "isolation" means separate from everything else, worded so for the very reason that those who claimed they isolated SARS-CoV-2 did not actually do so.
No, David did not show it will "always" happen. (I will be responding to him.) He only showed that some FOI requests may return with "no records found", due to administrative/temporal and miscellaneous non-topic-related causes. You yourself earlier quoted one example of a FOI result that did acknowledge understanding of the terms of the request by claiming that microbiological practice does not require actual virus isolation; "therefore", no records of such isolation.
Even if 99% of all the FOI requests resulting in administrative "no records found", where are 1% records that show SARS-CoV-2 having been isolated? It's a professional, scientific, and philosophic abdication of reason if current microbiology insists that isolation, purification, and definitive identification of a virus is neither required nor practiced. And, even more severe, that such an unproven claim of SARS-Cov-2's existence is supposedly enough to justify the global pandemic tyranny.

So far, everyone on this thread has ignored Trump's attack on our system of democratic elections and orderly transfers of power.  This is a more direct and immediate threat to our rights and our general well-being than any of the other issues mentioned.  The only alternative to our system of democratic elections and orderly transfers of power is a contest of physical force to determine who comes to power.  That is a fast track to dictatorship.
People's willingness to believe Trump's lies without evidence looks cultish to me.
 

No it's not. Is saying that someone died of cancer also "circular reasoning"? It's one thing to accept that the first place COVID was discovered was in Wuhan right in the same city where they were doing experiments with coronavirus's and it escaped from the lab. A high probability but it's quite another thing to arbitrarily claim that a virus that hundreds of millions of people have had or died from "doesn't exist". That's not saying that what is essentially roughly equivalent to the flu was overhyped and obviously governments massively overreacted but to deny a viruses very existence arbitrarily without evidence while there is tons of evidence of its existence is irrational. I won't be participating in this conversation after this comment though.

I don't dismiss the value of a book, especially on this topic, merely from reading the titles and a brief description. For Virus Mania, I read the whole book, with focus on the chapter about Covid-19 and how the authors' investigation shows no evidence that the CoV2 virus has been isolation and purified. For some of the representative papers they analyzed and sought confirmation from the papers' authors that, in fact, they did isolate the virus, the answers were in the negative.
One of the papers, (that your AI bot listed and that I've read myself 3-4 yrs ago and again a few days ago) is the first (or among the first) paper from Communist China, "A Novel Coronavirus from Patients with Pneumonia in China, 2019". One of the authors of the paper, Wenjie Tan, in reply to Virus Mania's authors' request for confirmation of isolation and purification, wrote that they did not and that "(We show] an image of sedimented virus particles, not purified ones".
Also, I note that the paper did not account for other possible (non-microbial) causes for the cases of pneumonia by "unknown causes" that the authors selected for their study. They ignored the long-time pre-existing epidemic of respiratory illness/death caused by the severe air pollution in Wuhan.
The Virus Mania excerpts in my 3rd post explain what isolation and purification must consist of, how difficult and complex the process is, especially for a new virus. So, even if you don't have the book, the excerpts I posted are valuable in helping with the understanding.
The obvious factual question remains: If there exist records that SARS-CoV2 has been isolated, purified, and identified, why have all 220 FOI agencies contacted so far responded with "no records found"? Incompetence? Ignorance? What?

Yes, I copy from the aforementioned post:
 
VIRUS MANIA: How the Medical Industry Continually Invents Epidemics, Making Billion-Dollar Profits at Our Expense   ... the final chapter, "Total Corona Mania" of a 515-page volume, with 1456 references. It's the 3rd English 2021 Edition, first published in Germany in 2007 (currently Amazon Bestseller in Microbiology)   Authors:   Torsten Engelbrecht Dr. Claus Kbhnlein, MD Dr. Samantha Bailey, MD Dr. Stefano Scoglio, BSc PhD Forewords: Prof. Etienne de Harven, MD Dr. Kelly Brogan MD Dr. Andrew Kaufman, MD   Topics:   Corona/COVID-19, Measles, Swine Flu, Avian Flu, Cervical Cancer, SARS, BSE, Hepatitis C, AIDS, Polio, Spanish Flu

This is a ridiculous thread. My own grandfather died of COVID and I know plenty of people that have had it. It exists. 

Therefore, they fabricate epidemics and amass wealth through fraudulent means.
This was the full title of the 2007 edition. The augmented July 2020 edition is titled 
VIRUS MANIA: Corona/COVID-19, Measles, Swine Flu, Cervical Cancer, Avian Flu, SARS, BSE, Hepatitis C, AIDS, Polio. How the Medical Industry Invents Epidemics, Making Billion-Dollar Profits At Our Expense.
From the book description:
Therefore I urge you to refrain from citing this book as evidence for any claim. It only subverts its credibility.
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There are at least dozens of articles documenting the isolation, purification and identification of SARS-CoV-2, published in the leading peer-reviewed journals. Just google isolating SARS-CoV-2 virus

No, this country is a Constitutional Republic that uses properly limited democracy in the form of voting for elected officials and certain referendums. Pure "democracy" is defined as tyranny of the majority and obviously would result in mass rights violations. And no sane nor moral person would ever want that in any form. On an Objectivist forum we use properly defined terms not common mistakes that people incorrectly use while speaking colloquially, especially when it comes to a term that promotes tyranny and dictatorship as a "pure democracy" would and does.

The AI bot doesn't simply say yes, but also provides references;
Christine Massey says she asked and says that she received only "No Records Found". Christine Massey also says "Virology is not a science, [it is] made for pandemics and vaccines". (BTW, the exact arguments you are providing appear in the article The shocking research if Christine Massey on the site YogaEsoteric, among other😁)
Maybe, however e.g. this of the 4 cited articles is titled "SARS-CoV-2 Production, Purification Methods and UV Inactivation for Proteomics and Structural Studies", has "Purification" in its title... But if you claim that the study described did not respect the virology standards required to warrant the conclusion that SARS-CoV-2 was thus isolated, then you should substantiate this claim. The onus of proof is on you because I only said "maybe - just maybe - there are records that document the isolation, purification, and identification of SARS-CoV-2", but you were affirmative.

This was necessary because the Trumpers had already demonstrated their willingness to use violence to overturn legitimate election results.
 

Violating the right to freedom of movement is both more clear-cut and much more impactful than requiring people to vaccinate.
Letting germs spread is more dangerous than letting people into the country.
 

In what way is setting strictures for immigration a violation of freedom of movement? Is your right to freedom of hydration violated when Yankee Stadium disallows you to bring beverages into the ballpark?

Hi Stephen,
No, (regarding the claim that SARS-Cov2 has been proven to exist) I'm saying, that, up to even today, no records have been found, in response to FOIA requests to government health/research labs all over the world, for documents reporting the isolation and purification of SARS-CoV2 apart from other biological matter. The whole "pandemic" is based on the assumption by nearly everyone that SARS-Cov2 has been scientifically proven by someone to exist -- when no record is available of anyone who has.
Here is an earlier post (Feb 13, 2022) on this topic.
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Exposing the Pandemic Tyranny I. SARS-CoV-2 Still Not Proven to Exist (2)   The fact that, more than 2 years later, there are still no records of SARS-CoV-2 having been isolated and identified, strikes at the root of the pandemic deception (shamdemic). For that reason, more attention should be given to understanding what isolation/purification is and why it should be done. If the alleged novel coronavirus hasn't been scientifically identified, then neither do all the testing, drug treatments, vaccines - government emergency powers - have any validity or justification.   A helpful guide to gaining this understanding is a section in a significant new book, _Virus Mania_, (mentioned in previous post): "Lack of Detection of So-Called SARS-CoV-2", in the final chapter, "Total Corona Mania" of a 515-page volume, with 1456 references. It's the 3rd English 2021 Edition, first published in Germany in 2007 (currently Amazon Bestseller in Microbiology).   Excerpts from that section follow (reference numbers omitted): --------- Lack of Detection of So-Called SARS-CoV-2   ... Complete purification is an indispensable pre-requisite for virus identi­fication as stated by textbooks, virus researchers such as Luc Montagnier [see attached image at the end] and the second of Koch’s postulates...   “Purification”… means the separation of an object from everything that does not belong to … Only on the basis of such a complete purification can it be proven that the nucleic acid sequences found in the particles in question originate from a new virus.   For this, one must remember that the PCR is extremely sensitive. This means that it can “pick up" even the smallest genetic fragments-i.e. DNA or RNA fragments. But it is not possible with the PCR to determine where these nucleic acid sequences come from. This must be determined beforehand in a separate process. And since PCR tests are “calibrated” to nucleic acid sequences, in this case RNA sequences (since it is assumed that SARS-CoV-2 is an RNA virus), it must of course be clearly proven that these genetic fragments are actually part of the claimed virus. And in order to prove this beyond any doubt, the correct isolation and complete purification of the suspected virus are indispensable pre-requisites. … Thus, when cells, cell debris and particles are mixed in a laboratory culture, the only way to determine which RNA (or even proteins) are viral is to separate the particles from all non-viral material. However, some researchers use the term “isolation” in their work to give the impression to the uninitiated reader that a virus has been isolated in pure form. In fact, however, this has not happened, because the procedures described in these works do not represent a proper process of isolation including complete purification. Conse­quently, they misuse the term “isolation” in their publications. And so we decided to be the first in the world to ask the research teams of the relevant papers cited in connection with the alleged detection of SARS-CoV-2 whether the elec­tron microscope images shown in their in vitro studies depict completely purified viruses. However, not a single team of authors-including those of two pivotal studies (Zhu et al., Wan Beom Park et al. ) - could answer this question with a yes. And it should be noted that no one wrote back suggesting that complete purification is not a necessary step for solid virus detection. [See attached image at the end]   We only received answers such as “our electron microscope image does not show a com­pletely purified virus” (see table, which has been published in the article that appeared in the OffGuardianon June 27,2020 and was the first in the world to fundamentally demon­strate that SARS-CoV-2 PCR is without substance: “COVID-19 PCR-Tests Are Scientifically Meaningless” by Torsten Engelbrecht and Konstantin Demeter), Altogether, the authors of five relevant papers (Zhu et al.,1353 Wan Beom Park et al.), which are mentioned in connection with the detection of SARS-CoV-2, conceded on request that they did not complete purification.   We also contacted Charles Calisher, who is a seasoned virologist. In 2001, Science published an “impassioned plea ...to the younger generation" from several veteran virologists, among them Calisher, saying that “[modern virus detection methods like] sleek polymerase chain reaction ...tell little or nothing about how a virus multiplies, which animals carry it, [or] how it makes people sick. [It is] like trying to say whether somebody has bad breath by looking at his fingerprint.” And that’s why we asked Calisher whether he knows of a single paper in which SARS-CoV-2 had been isolated and then truly purified. His answer: “I know of no such a publication. I have kept an eye out for one.” … If no such particle “purification” has been done anywhere, how can one claim that the RNA obtained is part of a viral genome? And how can such RNA then be widely used to di­agnose infection with a new virus? We have asked these two questions to numerous rep­resentatives of the official corona narrative worldwide, but nobody could answer them.   The fact that the RNA sequences that the scientists extracted from the tissue samples and which the SARS-CoV-2 RT-PCR tests were finally “calibrated” belong to a new patho­genic virus called SARS-CoV-2 is therefore based on faith alone, not on sound research. Consequently, it cannot be concluded that the “pulled” RNA genetic sequences in these studies, belong to a very specific virus, in this case SARS-CoV-2, which can then be “de­tected" by the developed RT-PCR test.   We have also looked at all the studies claiming to have isolated and even tested the virus. But in all of them, they actually did something very different: the researchers took samples from the throat or Lungs of patients, ultracentrifuged them (spun them at high speed) to separate the larger/heavy from the smaller/lighter molecules, and then took the supernatant, the upper part of the centrifuged material. And this is what they called their “isolate,” to which they then applied the PCR.   But this supernatant contains all kinds of molecules, billions of different micro- and nanoparticles, including extracellular vesicles (EVs) and exosomes, which are produced by our own body and are often indistinguishable from viruses: “Nowadays, it is an al­most impossible mission to separate EVs and viruses by means of canonical vesicle isolation methods, such as differential ultracentrifugation, because they are frequently co-pelleted due to their similar dimension," as it said in the study “The Role of Extra­cellular Vesicles as Allies of HIV, HCV and SARS Viruses,” published in May 2020 in the journal Viruses.   So how do you extract a specific virus from this huge mixture of billions of indistin­guishable particles, including naturally occurring exosomes? Well, you simply cannot, it is impossible, unless you have purified the particles of whom you think they belong to a new virus beforehand (and then you have to define its genetic structure and dis- ease-causing properties).   In fact, the scientists “create” the virus by PCR: They take artificial and entirely hypothetical primers (previously existing genetic sequences available in genetic banks) and put them in touch with the supernatant of the pharyngeal or broncho-alveolar fluid of the patient, that is with tens of billions of RNA and DNA molecules; and if, as it is likely, the primers attach to something in that broth, they conclude that whatever attached to the primers, then forming a DNA molecule with the help of the enzyme reverse transcriptase, it is the new and unknown SARS-CoV-2.   As if that weren’t enough, the primers used are just an infinitesimal fragment of the al­leged genome of the virus; they are in fact made up of only 18 to 24 bases (nucleotides) each; while the SARS-CoV-2 virus is assumed to consist of 30,000 bases, that is to say the primers represent only 0.07 percent of the virus genome. How is it possible to select the specific virus you are Looking for with such a minute sequence, and moreover in a sea of billions of virus-like particles? Again, it is just impossible! As the virus you are looking for is new, there are clearly no ready “off-the-shelf” genetic primers to match the specific fraction of the new virus. Instead, you take primers that you believe may be close to the hypothesized virus structure, but it’s only a rough guess. When you apply the primers to the supernatant broth, they can attach to any one of the billions of molecules present in it, and you have no idea if what you generated is from the virus you are looking for. … Incidentally, SARS-CoV-2 was “pieced together" on the computer. The physician Thomas Cowan called this “scientific fraud.” He wrote on October 15, 2020: “This week, my col­league and friend Sally Fallon Morell brought to my attention an amazing article put out by the CDC, published in June 2020. The article’s purpose was for a group of about 20 virologists to describe the state of the science of the isolation, purification and biological characteristics of the new SARS-CoV-2 virus, and to share this information with other scientists for their own research. A thorough and careful reading of this important paper reveals some shocking findings.” In fact, the article section “Whole Genome Sequencing” shows that rather than having isolated the virus and sequencing the genome from end to end, that the CDC“ designed 37 pairs of nested PCRs spanning the genome on the basis of the coronavirus reference sequence (GenBank accession no. NC045512).’’   ...Consequently, it cannot be concluded that the RNA gene sequences “pulled” from the tis­sue samples prepared in these studies and “calibrated” to the PCR tests belong to a very specific virus, in this case SARS-CoV-2. Especially since the electron microscope images, which are supposed to represent SARS-CoV-2, actually show particles that vary greatly in size. In one paper, the particles range from 60 nm to 140 nm. A specific virus that has such extreme size variation cannot exist by definition. ------------- VIRUS MANIA: How the Medical Industry Continually Invents Epidemics, Making Billion- Dollar Profits at Our Expense   Authors: Torsten Engelbrecht Dr. Claus Kbhnlein, MD Dr. Samantha Bailey, MD Dr. Stefano Scoglio, BSc PhD Forewords: Prof. Etienne de Harven, MD Dr. Kelly Brogan MD Dr. Andrew Kaufman, MD Topics: Corona/COVID-19, Measles, Swine Flu, Avian Flu, Cervical Cancer, SARS, BSE, Hepatitis C, AIDS, Polio, Spanish Flu

[Feb 11, 2022]   It was evident from the first Wuhan reports of a "novel coronavirus" that there was deception involved in the propagation of the claim of a SAR-CoV-2 pandemic. The consequent Covid-19 tyranny has since been justified on the basis of a fraud: that SARS-CoV-2 has been proven to exist. But, in reality, it hasn't been.   To exist is to have identity. Existence is Identity. If SARS-CoV-2 is claimed to exist, its identity must also be defined and shown to be distinct from all other existents. It must be isolated and purified from all other substances in order to be distinguished separately. Only then could its characteristics and any infectious qualities be discovered and verified. But this purification and identification has not yet been accomplished, only a deceptive appearance of having done so.   As of today, Feb 11, 2022 - 166 Freedom of Information (FOI) requests to health and science institutions worldwide, by Christine Massey and her team, for any documentation of SARS-CoV-2 having been isolated and purified, have resulted in responses of "No records found". As written on Christine Massey's webpage https://www.fluoridefreepeel.ca/fois-reveal-that-health-science-institutions-around-the-world-have-no-record-of-sars-cov-2-isolation-purification/?fbclid=IwAR3Mr8pWM3y1gXcSNf23zlUyj7bNdklh2f-IXSn7YgP5rTZa5TYzF6J0jhY

"Would a sane person mix a patient sample (containing various sources of genetic material and never proven to contain any alleged “virus”) with transfected monkey kidney cells, fetal bovine serum and toxic drugs, then claim that the resulting concoction is “SARS-COV-2 isolate” and ship it off internationally for use in critical research (including vaccine and test development)? "Because that’s the sort of fraudulent monkey business that’s being passed off as “virus isolation” by research teams around the world."   In the past two years, numerous voices have drawn attention to this fraud, but they've been ignored or maligned by the mainstream media and the medical/virologist professions as a whole, and thus the governments continued their tyranny. But the deception is becoming more and more exposed, and the tyrants will be backing off, having achieved their goals, even if their fraud doesn't get known by the masses.   A few significant books have already been published exposing one or another part of the fraud. _Virus Mania_ , authored by a team of MDs, PhD, led by a journalist, is one such book on the non-isolation of CoV-2.
 

Remembering the CG Computer-Generated Pandemic Tyranny
 
It's been nearly four years since the "Covid-19 pandemic" campaign was announced (March 11, 2020) by the WHO and subsequently implemented by governments throughout the world -- using fear and force to "lockdown" then "vaccinate" billions of misinformed and misled, confused and compliant masses.
How did the Covid-19 pandemic come to be? How did such a pandemic tyranny get established so quickly and easily?
For one's mental and moral health, as well as one's physical health, in order to keep on the betterment of oneself, find out what really was/is the Covid-19 Pandemic.
 
How to Establish a Pandemic Tyranny (with or without an actual virus)     Tyranny can be established in a few strokes, in countries where rights are not absolute and inviolate, and where they can be even more restricted in emergencies (i.e., in all countries). The extent of the tyranny depends on the severity of the emergency. Wars, terrorist attacks, and natural disasters are common justifications for invoking emergency tyrannical powers.   Epidemics and pandemics are among the less common justifications, but have advantages for tyrants that war and disasters do not have. When the “enemy” is sub/microscopic and invisible, it is easier to fool and frighten the people into believing in the emergency and accepting the tyranny. Indeed, a viral enemy is even more effective for fear-mongering than a bacterial enemy, a virus being far more minuscule and mysterious than bacteria.   For the first time in history, a pandemic tyranny was successfully established, all across the globe. How was it done?   1. Conduct pandemic simulations (“Event 201”, “Crimson Contagion”) to train and prime, among other effects, the health authorities and policy makers for the “real” pandemic to come.   2. Have the “outbreak” start in tyrannical China, where the truth is whatever the Party decrees, and the whip and gun is its main method of persuasion – and in Wuhan, with its pre-existing epidemic of respiratory illness/death caused by severe air pollution, which can be renamed "covid", as needed.   3. Have WHO previously lower the criteria for declaring a pandemic – and then to extol China as the exemplar for the rest of the world to emulate in response to the new invisible enemy, to be quickly named as SARS-CoV2.   4. Have the Chinese doctors claim that the pandemic is caused by a coronavirus, but a “novel” one - so that it could have the frightening and flexible characteristics as needed to initiate, manipulate, and sustain the belief in the pandemic.   5. Do not require that the novel coronavirus be isolated, purified, quantified, or uniquely characterized - so that its true nature (even if it exists) would not be there as a reality-check on the downstream computer modeling, testing protocols, case numbers, and mandates on social distancing, masking, and vaccination.   6. Create epidemiological models that predict, on demand, apocalyptic infections and deaths, with ready excuses that failed predictions are actually successes due to heeding the models and implementing lockdowns and mandates.   7. Design testing protocols, such as over-amplifiable PCR tests (designed for research, not diagnostic use), and the even less valid, proxy tests like anti-gen tests and sewage surveillance tests. These tests can yield false positives, as needed, on demand. Then saturate the population with tests, tests, and more tests.   8. Inflate the test-derived case numbers by providing incentives to re-label other respiratory infections as “covid-19” and ignore or downplay co-morbidities. The pre-existing common colds linked to already known coronaviruses are plentiful sources for claiming covid cases.   9. Refer to government health authorities as “top doctors”, whose scientific expertise is beyond question or reproach. Marginalize and punish those who question, challenge, or expose the covid irrationality - dismiss as being purveyors of “misinformation” and as threats to public health.   10. Ensure the medical/health, educational/academic institutions, and mainstream media are allied with the campaign - so that the masses are both intimidated and comforted in their fear and obedience, with little question or protest.   11. Enroll the evermore power-seeking politicians to enact the policies already in place by invoking public-health/emergency powers - so that the increased tyranny appears legitimate and legal, and the masses accept as necessary.   12. Join forces with the vaxxers and mass-advertise the vaccine as the only way out of the pandemic and the lockdowns - so that the masses rush into long line-ups for the shots - so that the psycho-socio-medical experiments and conditioning, among other agendas, can be perpetrated and perpetuated - and so that the test-kit and vaccine manufacturers and purveyors continue to make their billions.   ---   The key and essential preconditions for this covert./overt campaign to establishing a pandemic tyranny include the following:   - A legally enslaved society where government controlled and tax-funded healthcare and education (along with the other welfare statist policies) are already widespread, which condition the people into dependency, conformity, and obedience.   - An intellectually and morally bankrupt world where collectivism (mob rule), altruism (self-sacrifice), and mysticism (faith) prevail, institutionally and politically, over individualism, rights, and reason – where delusion is believed over objective reality and consensus overrides logic and facts.   ---   How to demolish this pandemic tyranny? By exposing the massive deception that it is (as shamdemic, plandemic, covert-19).  Learn and understand, teach and advocate, declare and defend - ultimately to establish and institutionalize the philosophy of reality, reason, rights, and romance – and create a free, rational, individualist society.   ------   “. . . The truth twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools.” – Rudyard Kipling, “If” “Fools rush in where angels fear to tread.” – Alexander Pope, “An Essay on Criticism” “The action is the aim and the aim is the action.” – Zarlenga, The Orator “Don’t bother examining [too much] a folly, ask only what it accomplishes.” –Ayn Rand, The Fountainhead   =====   Image: Like in a movie, the CG world of SARS-Cov2....

I suspect that the cultural brainwashing could not possibly work as well as it does if children did not grow up drenched in chemicals from plants and plastics that emulated estrogens.   Excreted body fluids contain the remnants of all birth control pills ever taken, which all flow downstream into water supplies.  

On the right isn't that the Office of Nuclear Energy official that Biden appointed? Entrusted with our nuclear technology then caught stealing three thousand dollar Vera Bradley luggage at the airport a month into the job.
All of our lives are at risk so some criminal lunatics can benefit from diversity hiring.
But MAGA is a cult. Right.

New Hampshire holds its presidential primaries today. Ron DeSantis has suspended his campaign and endorsed Trump. (I'd wager, given his earlier pledge to save the GOP from Trump and his over-the-top pandering to the Trump base, he's hoping Trump's legal problems represent a reentry path later.)

We thus have an early primary in a state that allows independent voters to participate in party primaries, and a two-person contest between Donald Trump and Nikki Haley. This represents as good a chance as there is for a sane candidate to begin to break the stranglehold of Trump's personality cult on the Republican Party, and give Americans a real choice in the next election.

According to a headline from the Boston Globe, it is unlikely that Haley will win, but buried at the end of the story is what I think will be the decisive factor:Haley isn't drawing big crowds -- and doesn't have me raving about her here -- because she keeps committing unforced errors. So she doesn't have people excited about her candidacy so far. (I think the excitement -- or at least noticeable support -- might come if she does well, and offers real hope of keeping Trump out of office.)

The real question then, is How sick are independent voters of Donald Trump and Joe Biden?

If they're annoyed enough, they don't have to like Haley to want to vote for her, and they will.

I'd show up and vote for Haley if I lived there, but I don't know the answer to that question.

Today, we will find out.

-- CAVLink to Original

Trump's policy positions are why he has any popularity whatsoever.  There is no cult.  MAGA doesn't end when Trump goes away.

Israel is a country whose leaders are either
A) So incredibly stupid, short sighted, dementia brained, and insane that they would fund a radical Islamist group to overthrow a secular government and then act surprised when the Islamist group does Islamist things
or
b) So evil that they did all that on purpose.

I never knew that a one-person invasion would be sufficient to dispense with immigration.

Yes, we need deal with the people enabling this.
And we have every right to stop the destruction they are engineering. Texas has every right to try. Every American citizen has the moral right to go there and try, until it stops.
Then we can enact certain economic separations.
Then we can open immigration back up and find out for the first time what "normal immigration" levels really are. Maybe zero. America is an expensive place to live. Telework more and more common. Yeah, maybe zero. Maybe very negative immigration under total freedom, because every country is free in this scenario. So why not telework from the cheapest beach on earth? America might empty into Florida and Central and South America. Northerly immigration could be totally contrary to "normal immigration," for all we know, given the current chaos from the various economic un-separations that distort everything.
Therefore, we have to close the border, deal with the elite globalists doing all of this to us, enact total freedom, implement total freedom, globally, and THEN you will be able to point at the resultant immigration level and for the first time be able to plausibly claim to know what the normal level is.

Why is the current influx of illegal immigration being assisted to the extent they are? and by whom? They are given money and travel and spread out through the country, surely they did not make these arrangements themselves , in a free country where one follows there own self interest , someone must have an interest in importing people and relocating them, some reports say to the tune of up to 5k in cash/card and then the ability to draw $2100 monthly stipends along with room and board. There are also reports that in the areas that the migrants are passing international organizations and NGO's are handing out information on routes and destinations suitable for crossing. This is definitely not a spontaneous movement of like minded poverty escapees and or political amnesty seekers, and the fact that the same situation is happening in Europe , wtf is going on ?
What cultural change sparked the ambitions of Northern African Muslims to become Parisian baguette bakery apprentices?

Lol, we should allow illegal entry into the country of military aged men traveling alone, because only 1 in 20k is an identified terrorism threat. The Pfizer initial Covid gene therapy trials showed that the number to vaccinate to statistically prevent 1 death was 22k, did HB apply the same argument against the introduction of potential harm to 22 k in order to ‘save’ one ?