LandonWalsh Posted September 2, 2009 Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 (edited) I have been having a debate with a socialist on medicine. Now when I start an argument I ALWAYS end it on my terms. I finish what I start. However. I am too the point where I feel like im swimming in a cesspool of stupid. I'm not going to back down, but I don't know how to get through an argument where the guy is as thick as they come. How do you get through all those levels of evasion? This guy also claims to have read all of Rands books, and compares her to Marx. AH... It never fails to amaze me about people. http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=126011328594 Feel free to jump in it. I'm also curious. Am I debating him properly? Am I doing something wrong? Edited September 2, 2009 by LandonWalsh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2046 Posted September 2, 2009 Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 Something for you to consider: It sounds like your concept of victory is in some way dependent on his knowing he is conquered. A [second-hander] is one who regards the consciousness of other men as superior to his own and to the facts of reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LandonWalsh Posted September 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 Something for you to consider: It sounds like your concept of victory is in some way dependent on his knowing he is conquered. Not really. I just like that quote in the movie gladiator. I do know my argument is not as effective as it should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliveandrews Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 I have been having a debate with a socialist on medicine. Now when I start an argument I ALWAYS end it on my terms. I finish what I start. However. I am too the point where I feel like im swimming in a cesspool of stupid. I'm not going to back down, but I don't know how to get through an argument where the guy is as thick as they come. How do you get through all those levels of evasion? This guy also claims to have read all of Rands books, and compares her to Marx. AH... It never fails to amaze me about people. http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=126011328594 Feel free to jump in it. I'm also curious. Am I debating him properly? Am I doing something wrong? You have to be very aggressive. Never defend, just attack. Just keep swinging and telling him exactly why his statements are retarded without yourself ever going on the defensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jill Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 I think a debate should be friendly and should be an honest attempt to find the truth and settle disagreement, not a fight. (The link doesn't work for me, I get forwarded back to Facebook's home page.) I don't know what you argued, but the only rational argument against national healthcare for me is that it often doesn't give an individual what he needs when he decides he needs it, since it's the government who will establish priorities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krattle Posted September 21, 2009 Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 Ultimately, you can't "win" a debate against a person who has never put a second of rational thought into their own beliefs. I put win in quotes because winning does not necessarily mean having the other party know he/she has lost. Like I said, they'll never give up because they have nothing to give up. They have no firm ground to their argument to lose. They'll just keep arguing endlessly with their emotions and whatever cliches they've heard on the news and what public school taught them. I can't remember who said it, but someone once said that you can't reason a man out of an idea he never reasoned himself into. I applaud you on your game of attrition, however. Who knows, you may be able to pound even a minuscule thought into this person's head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Posted September 21, 2009 Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 You can't fix stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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