EC Posted May 14, 2010 Report Share Posted May 14, 2010 If it has become impossible to achieve values in one's life because of a myriad of reasons is it then moral to take one's own life? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard Roark Posted May 14, 2010 Report Share Posted May 14, 2010 Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aequalsa Posted May 14, 2010 Report Share Posted May 14, 2010 Yes. , but, in very, very few cases is that actually the case. That perception, common to depression is almost always factually untrue or based on incorrect premises and values, which if resolved remove the impetus for self-destruction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eiuol Posted May 14, 2010 Report Share Posted May 14, 2010 (edited) If it has become impossible to achieve values in one's life because of a myriad of reasons is it then moral to take one's own life? Suicide isn't a question of being immoral or not. If life ceases to be a value to you for some reason and you decide to choose death, then you can't really say what is the "right" thing to do. Morality depends on choosing life in the first place. It may be a false conclusion, however, for one to evaluate that their life is no longer worth living, to evaluate that it is impossible to achieve any important values except just existing. Edited May 14, 2010 by Eiuol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EC Posted May 14, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 14, 2010 What about when Galt told Dagny that if there was any chance that they would torture her that he would immediately commit suicide because she was his highest value? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard Roark Posted May 15, 2010 Report Share Posted May 15, 2010 (edited) , but, in very, very few cases is that actually the case. That perception, common to depression is almost always factually untrue or based on incorrect premises and values, which if resolved remove the impetus for self-destruction. Yes, but I am responding to his case. If achieving values becomes impossible, as he said, then that should be more than enough to close this case. Edited May 15, 2010 by Howard Roark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aequalsa Posted May 15, 2010 Report Share Posted May 15, 2010 Yes, but I am responding to his case. If achieving values becomes impossible, as he said, then that should be more than enough to close this case. I understand that. I didn't intend it to be a criticism as your response is correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aequalsa Posted May 15, 2010 Report Share Posted May 15, 2010 What about when Galt told Dagny that if there was any chance that they would torture her that he would immediately commit suicide because she was his highest value? I think that was in the context of her being tortured as a way to get to him. If he was dead there would be no more need to torture her, ostensibly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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