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3 minutes ago, 2046 said:

Rand wanted to dispense with certain terms that were packaged deals, like "extremism" and keep

"It's ok to be white" is not a package deal.  It's a simple, straightforward, true statement.   

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6 minutes ago, 2046 said:

"extremism"

Extremism is an anti-concept. "Whiteness" is not, and "okay" is not.

6 minutes ago, 2046 said:

The question is whether you should join in a protest campaign created by white nationalists,

Why shouldn't you want white racists have their own nation? They'd all flock to it, and then there'd be less of them around to annoy you here in America--or wherever you live. Everyone wins.

6 minutes ago, 2046 said:

"It's not okay to be white and racist

Sure it is. We have freedom of conscience in this country. Saying "okay" means that you accept reality as it is. It's not "yes" or "no," it's just "okay." Acceptance does not imply approval.

6 minutes ago, 2046 said:

we see your through sloganeering as packaging opposition to anti-white bias with support for white nationalism."

And I open the package, take what I want, and disgard the rest because I'm selfish and I can do that.

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2 minutes ago, Craig24 said:

 

"It's ok to be white" is not a package deal.  It's a simple, straightforward, true statement.   

One which an objectivist is having trouble seeing, because he's not being very objective.

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5 minutes ago, MisterSwig said:

Which valid concept is it trying to destroy?

The concept of "truth." Whether a statement is divisive or not is irrelevant. What is relevant is the truth, no matter how people feel about it. Emotions are not tools of cognition.

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1 minute ago, Craig24 said:

 

"It's ok to be white" is not a package deal.  It's a simple, straightforward, true statement.   

Only if you evade the fact that it is an ad campaign created by white nationalists. 

Again would you join in a campaign called "Air is good." by Evil Corp, which is a Clinton funded cap and trade company that will benefit financially? Or would you say they are implicitly trying to package the triviality of air being good with support for cap and trade? 

I would say you are clearly evading if not.

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Just now, 2046 said:

Only if you evade the fact that it is an ad campaign created by white nationalists.

The statement is true regardless of any white supremacist ad campaign.  The real evasion is denying the truth of the statement.  I'm not afraid to communicate a fact out of fear of being labeled or condemned.  That's what Political Correctness does to cowards.  I don't want to be a coward.  

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6 minutes ago, CartsBeforeHorses said:

Extremism is an anti-concept. "Whiteness" is not, and "okay" is not.

Why shouldn't you want white racists have their own nation? They'd all flock to it, and then there'd be less of them around to annoy you here in America--or wherever you live. Everyone wins.

Sure it is. We have freedom of conscience in this country. Saying "okay" means that you accept reality as it is. It's not "yes" or "no," it's just "okay." Acceptance does not imply approval.

And I open the package, take what I want, and disgard the rest because I'm selfish and I can do that.

Of course it's not okay. It's not okay because racism is not okay. You equivocate disapproval with literal coercion? Your sophistry is laughable, what a silly little monkey.

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1 minute ago, Craig24 said:

The statement is true regardless of any white supremacist ad campaign.  The real evasion is denying the truth of the statement.  I'm not afraid to communicate a fact out of fear of being labeled or condemned.  That's what Political Correctness does to cowards.  I don't want to be a coward.  

And yet no one in here said it's not okay to be white. Such bravery! You're okay with whiteness! 

As the slogan goes, where there is no struggle, there is no virtue. 

On the other hand, to willfully ignore reality, in this case the full context of the campaign, that is the essence of cowardice.

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Just now, 2046 said:

Of course it's not okay. It's not okay because racism is not okay.

Sure racism is okay. Just like Christianity is okay. It's not "great" or "right," it's just "okay." Being a racist (or a Christian) doesn't hurt anybody by itself. It's incorrect, sure. And if somebody acts on their racism and initiates force, then that's not okay. But racism itself is fine.

And again, why shouldn't white people have their own nation? It would probably be the most prosperous nation in the world. And every white racist that you hate would move there and leave you alone. You've failed to tell me why White Nationalism is a bad thing. Sounds like a win-win to me.

Just now, 2046 said:

You equivocate disapproval with literal coercion?

No, I equate disapproval with lack of acceptance. Part of Objectivism is accepting reality. All things are "okay" which are not prohibited by law. Doesn't make them right, or mean we shouldn't try to change people's mind if we have a chance and they're willing to listen.

Just now, 2046 said:

Your sophistry is laughable, what a silly little monkey.

Luckily I have thicker skin than those college students, the word "monkey" might be misconstrued as racist.

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4 minutes ago, 2046 said:

And yet no one in here said it's not okay to be white. Such bravery! You're okay with whiteness

Correct.  No one here said it.  But the Left controls most of the culture and says it.  So it IS brave to counter that.  

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9 minutes ago, Craig24 said:

Correct.  No one here said it.  But the Left controls most of the culture and says it.  So it IS brave to counter that.  

To follow up on this, if you don't think this is true, consider this incident:

 

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11 minutes ago, Craig24 said:

To follow up on this, if you don't think this is true, consider this incident:

 

While it is nice to see a Sanders-supporting socialist reduced to a blubbering mess, the reason for it was ludicrous. Mistaking "Hidden Figures" and "fences" and getting called a racist because both movies happen to have predominantly black casts? What a joke. People are trying so hard to find racism everywhere.

Also even though this is anecdotal, I would still submit this as yet more evidence that blacks are on average less intelligent than whites. People mistake movies all the time and white people never collectively freak out about it. Because we're a smarter group than to take offense to an honest mistake. When your average IQ is 90, though, then you care about petty crap like that.

It's okay to be smart. It's okay to be white.

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17 minutes ago, Craig24 said:

Correct.  No one here said it.  But the Left controls most of the culture and says it.  So it IS brave to counter that.  

Not really. I doubt you even know or understand leftist philosophy enough to critique privilege theory or postmodernist deconstructionism. Instead of launching a reasoned critique, carefully parsing between opposition to anti-white bias and support for white supremacy, you gleefully attach yourself to ad campains created by self-identified white supremacists which implicitly conflate the two, and then pat yourself on the back for your keyboard warriorism. Great job!

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14 minutes ago, 2046 said:

I doubt you even know or understand leftist philosophy enough to critique privilege theory

And making such a bold claim about your opponent is yet another example of why I regard you as a troll.

Let me break down "privilege" for you. Individuals are responsible for themselves. Privilege is irrelevant to individual success. Education and reason are relevant. Nothing is keeping black people from succeeding in America, or in Africa, except themselves... not their environment. Not racism from 50 years ago which not only no longer exists, but has actually been reversed. Nor the remnants of colonialism, AKA most of Africa's infrastructure that white people built for them. Next.

14 minutes ago, 2046 said:

Instead of launching a reasoned critique, carefully parsing between opposition to anti-white bias and support for white supremacy,

And Craig, Professor 2046 forgot to mention that this should be at least six pages long, and is due by Friday.

14 minutes ago, 2046 said:

and then pat yourself on the back for your keyboard warriorism.

Hey man, you have no idea how many bottles of Mountain Dew died to give me the high energy to respond to all of your posts.

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27 minutes ago, CartsBeforeHorses said:

 When your average IQ is 90, though, then you care about petty crap like that.

It's okay to be smart. It's okay to be white.

Wait, how can an individual person possess an average IQ? And how can you draw inferences about what a given individual must think based on their race or average IQ of the race to which they belong? Whoops! Your racism is showing... wait isn't that against the forum rules to promote racism?

bye bye!

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6 minutes ago, 2046 said:

Wait, how can an individual person possess an average IQ? And how can you draw inferences about what a given individual must think based on their race or average IQ of the race to which they belong? Whoops! Your racism is showing... wait isn't that against the forum rules to promote racism?

bye bye!

For someone who preaches about context, you sure do miss a lot of it.

I wasn't drawing a conclusion about any individual based on their race. I have never done that. I was drawing a conclusion about a group based on their race. The average IQ of blacks in America is 90. So it stands to reason that a large enough group of them, plus their stupid liberal white "allies" whose average IQ is probably 70 would end up taking  offense to a f**king transposition mistake.

Tell me, would a smart person take any issue with what Keaton accidentally said?

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3 hours ago, 2046 said:

Or maybe people are just smarter than taking the posters at face value. You didn't answer me before, you honestly don't believe that one should never take into context the source and agenda of a slogan before adopting it? Couldn't it be that people, most people, understand that "okay being white" is a triviality, and therefore look beyond the mere words and into the context of the slogan, and are horrified that people promoting white nationalist 4chan projects are active on their campus.

If you saw a campaign that said something like "Air is good." Would you go "oh neat. What a great campaign. Let's promote this!" Or would you instinctively be like, well gee, everyone knows air is good, who is behind this, what are they promoting, what is their agenda, who on campus is carrying this out?

If you discovered that Evil Corp. posted the ad campaign to promote Clintonian cap and trade because they would benefit financially from subsidies, you wouldn't go "guys this is hysterical overreaction and witch hunts! They just want us to know that air is good!" I doubt it. You'd be singing from the rooftops that people participating in the ad campaign are serving the Evil Corp agenda. Your response would probably not be "oh neat. Yep that's true. Air is good." It would be something like "Yes, air is good, but cap and trade schemes are bad."

But your response here is not "yes it's obviously okay to be white, but it's not okay to be white and racist." These 4chan people are not opposing cultural Marxism out of principle. They literally want to deport and/or kill all non whites. They want socialism for white people only. They created the campaign and you haven't said a word about them.

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3 hours ago, 2046 said:

Only if you evade the fact that it is an ad campaign created by white nationalists.

Speak for yourself. I don't follow white nationalists in any way and imagine their agendas must be as dumb as they come, but I think "It's OK to be white" all the time to myself when I read the moronic public, racist displays of "black lives," "mormon lives," "women lives," or whatever else.

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3 hours ago, CartsBeforeHorses said:

Sure racism is okay. Just like Christianity is okay. It's not "great" or "right," it's just "okay." Being a racist (or a Christian) doesn't hurt anybody by itself. It's incorrect, sure. And if somebody acts on their racism and initiates force, then that's not okay. But racism itself is fine.

Is there a better example of what Peikoff warned about in Fact and Value?

We've got people on an Objectivist forum tolerating racism and appeasing Nazis to the point of spreading their propaganda and offering them a country of their own.

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46 minutes ago, MisterSwig said:

Is there a better example of what Peikoff warned about in Fact and Value?

Yet another example of Peikoff being an Ayatollah and excommunicating people from the Church of Objectivism.

You cannot morally evaluate everything all the time like Peikoff demands. Impossible. 

Is it wrong to be a racist? Yes. But all okay means is that you have to be okay with it. You can whine and whine but you're not going to change people's minds. And that can bug you--as it seems to--or you can accept the reality and be at peace emotionally.

46 minutes ago, MisterSwig said:

We've got people on an Objectivist forum tolerating racism and appeasing Nazis to the point of spreading their propaganda 

Because their propaganda is in this case a true statement.

46 minutes ago, MisterSwig said:

andoffering them a country of their own.

I've yet to hear a reason why that's a bad idea. It's a win win for both sides.

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1 hour ago, JASKN said:

Speak for yourself. I don't follow white nationalists in any way and imagine their agendas must be as dumb as they come, but I think "It's OK to be white" all the time to myself when I read the moronic public, racist displays of "black lives," "mormon lives," "women lives," or whatever else.

Sure, the left says silly things. So you would join in common cause with the white nationalist ad campaign, except that little fact you dislike, so you blank it out.

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Grames: "Blood and soil" a good slogan for you to chant, yes or no? Why or why not?

Of course my example of a cap and trade ad with "air is good" as the slogan. You can bet you conservative types would be all moist "exposing" and lambasting it. "It's a Clinton backed group with a liberal agenda!" we would be told. And yet you have no problem siding with white nationalists. Also you both want to close the borders and deport the illegals. Hmm, enquiring minds can only draw their own conclusions.

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1 minute ago, CartsBeforeHorses said:

I've yet to hear a reason why that's a bad idea. It's a win win for both sides.

It would be like giving communists their own country and observing what happened to it.

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5 minutes ago, Grames said:

It would be like giving communists their own country and observing what happened to it.

If it gets them to voluntarily move out of America then I'm all for it. Socialists and America is like a bad marriage... It ain't working out. Time for a divorce.

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