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On 12/16/2021 at 6:55 PM, Doug Morris said:

If most eligible people had gotten vaccinated and boosted, the spread would have dramatically declined, and the nature of the pandemic would have changed.   

Do you mean with the currently formulated jabs , or a more general statement about virology in regards to sterilizing vaccines ?

The data on current formulations seems to point findings such as 

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanepe/article/PIIS2666-7762(21)00258-1/fulltext

 

 

 

 

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44 minutes ago, tadmjones said:

The data on current formulations seems to point findings such as 

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanepe/article/PIIS2666-7762(21)00258-1/fulltext

 

If more people had gotten vaccinated early on when the existing vaccinations hadn't worn off so much, there would have been a better chance to knock down the pandemic.

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But won’t it be the case that the later vaccinated cohort  provided a stronger ‘barrier ‘ as they were waxing compared to the waning earlier cohorts ? 

And was the early due to reluctance or availability? Wasn’t the ‘rollout’ stratified by risk group ? 

Sounds like a lot of ifs and buts and still no candy or nuts.

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From or with? , figures released by British govt after a FOIA request , out for a month with little to no media coverage . Unless the virus and or biology is different between countries highly suggestive that the institutions whose charge is to inform their respective populations on matters of public health decided these totals were not worth reporting. huh

 

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If a hemophiliac is injured in a car crash and dies from the injuries, but a non-hemophiliac would probably have survived, then the hemophiliac has died of injuries from a car crash and should be included in traffic death statistics.  The hemophilia was a contributing factor, but the car crash was the primary and immediate cause of death.

If A has a serious case of mononucleosis but is expected to fully recover, and B shoots A through the spleen, and A dies from the combination but might well have survived the gunshot wound if there were no mononucleosis, then A has died of a gunshot wound and should be included in gun death statistics.  Also, B is guilty of murder.  The mononucleosis was a contributing factor, but the gunshot was the primary and immediate cause of death.

How many people die where COVID-19 is the only thing contributing to the death is irrelevant to how deadly COVID-19 is.

 

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1 hour ago, Doug Morris said:

No.

But there is a right to restrict reckless, drunk, or unqualified driving for the protection of all non-hermits.

 

I think our disagreement , at least from my end, may  stem from a differing view , or nuances of application , on legal theory.

Eg, between negative/ positive rights, legal punishments as retribution for harms caused as opposed to instantiation of legal codes to induce deterrence. And how far or by what criteria the government has powers to coerce health measures and those specific applications to Covid.

My argument from 'jump' has been that the governmental reaction(s) to this specific contagion was exaggerated to the degree of lethality. If the danger to the whole of the general public were equal , then blanket restrictions would seem more plausible , but from the outset this specific shitshow has 'felt' more than just being about a 'health emergency'. In the very beginning erring on th eside of caution was 'more' than prudent, but it didn't take long to see this is not that.

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