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Guarding the Lincoln Memorial, June 2, 2020

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8 hours ago, Eiuol said:

The way you wrote the second one makes it sound like you think that the Lincoln Memorial is the same as the Emancipation Memorial.

Then try reading what I wrote rather than imagining what it sounds like.

 

1 hour ago, whYNOT said:

You could add "disproportionate (defensive) force" to your table. (I think was mentioned here). The question is how did one know what is "proportionate" until the force is needed? Are the soldiers going to be facing five defacers of monuments, or a thousand rioters?

A martial artist uses the amount of force necessary to quell the situation, yet to most situations he possesses a "disproportionate martial force". Sensei would pose the question from time to time of considering the situation from the perspective of a bystander (potential witness?)

A group of soldiers facing a thousand rioters might be similar to a competent martial artist knowing what to do if he cannot diffuse a situation by reasoning with the participants. The group of soldiers wear the uniform implicitly communicating the military might present, while the martial artist has to have mastery over his mind and body as a unity.

1 hour ago, whYNOT said:

Again, seeing that we live in the most superficial, "symbolic", sensationalist and style-above-substance, short attention span**, period: the sound bite and an image and their evoked feelings, are accepted as the universal substitutes for hard thinking, identification and evaluation. Governments too are aware of and will employ "the image" to their P.R. purposes.

In Faith and Force, Rand call the time she was in "the Age of Guilt." Your use of sound bite, image, evoked feelings, evoke a resonance between your words and elements from The Romantic Manifesto.

On one side, the philosophy of the artist gets embodied in the work of art. On the other side, the philosophy of the observer of that work of art, evokes the emotional response.  I contend that it is the observer's responsibility to evaluate and make his identification. If he fears his judgment is inadequate to communicate it rationally to others, then others have to muster only what is necessary to destroy destruction.

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19 hours ago, dream_weaver said:

Protesters were planning to topple the statue.

I mean, I really don't know why you would refer to the Lincoln Memorial as a statue unless you really thought it was a statue...

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Lincoln_statue,_Lincoln_Memorial.jpg

The statue is contained therein.

 

19 hours ago, Eiuol said:

ask me what you want to know. 

 

19 hours ago, dream_weaver said:

So far, on the table I have

It probably isn't necessary

Protesters were planning to topple the statue.

A lashing out stemming from a single original injustice

A re-election propaganda ploy

Are there any of these listed that are contradictory on their own, Eiuol?

 

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Protesters were talking about taking down the Emancipation Memorial, not the Lincoln Memorial, so now it just seems like you think that the statue in the Lincoln Memorial is called the Emancipation Memorial. 

I'm really just making fun of the fact that I already showed you how protesters were not planning to even to topple the statue within the Lincoln Memorial. The soldiers don't have riot shields on,  a good reason to think that even the soldiers and the people who deployed them weren't expecting anything to happen in the first place. 

 

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23 hours ago, dream_weaver said:

Then try reading what I wrote rather than imagining what it sounds like.

 

A martial artist uses the amount of force necessary to quell the situation, yet to most situations he possesses a "disproportionate martial force". Sensei would pose the question from time to time of considering the situation from the perspective of a bystander (potential witness?)

A group of soldiers facing a thousand rioters might be similar to a competent martial artist knowing what to do if he cannot diffuse a situation by reasoning with the participants. The group of soldiers wear the uniform implicitly communicating the military might present, while the martial artist has to have mastery over his mind and body as a unity.

In Faith and Force, Rand call the time she was in "the Age of Guilt." Your use of sound bite, image, evoked feelings, evoke a resonance between your words and elements from The Romantic Manifesto.

On one side, the philosophy of the artist gets embodied in the work of art. On the other side, the philosophy of the observer of that work of art, evokes the emotional response.  I contend that it is the observer's responsibility to evaluate and make his identification. If he fears his judgment is inadequate to communicate it rationally to others, then others have to muster only what is necessary to destroy destruction.

D_m,

What should take prime place at your table is that this battle is not racist or anti-racist - i.e., racialist - it is ideological. The Left and its media has "weaponized" race for its own unprincipled ends and millions of innocents (and ignorant dupes) of any race who initially went along out of sympathy and some innocent desire for social justice are being trapped in the deeper undercurrents. I think it must be stressed that the Left, as it has become, are today's biggest pragmatists. Of course none can see individuals, they perceive the power of masses and "demographics"; they are determinists, majoritarians and collectivists.  In effect, "Since we know the greater and growing ethnicities, religion and nationalities are black, brown, Chinese, Muslims, than they are whom we must kow-tow to". Those (always conservative) American blacks whom we hear pridefully refuse 'the victimhood narrative" thrust on them - as well as Muslim reformists, usually bravely outspoken females - have been loathed, rejected and ignored by the Left and the MSM - which goes to prove this point. Not race, but the ideology of force of numbers.  The white tribe and Christians are on the slide, numerically, and can be safely silenced and condemned for their original sins: their contributions in the gradual making of a civilization and the original Western values of reason and liberal rights. From which base their foes can launch attacks on them, horrendously, ironically and hypocritically. In confusion, without intellectual certainty, moderate minority groups can put up no resistance and humbly accept their own guilt. The ultimate fantasy which the New Left dream of is some sort of Marxist, global paradise, is all I can imagine.

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1 hour ago, whYNOT said:

D_m,

What should take prime place at your table is that this battle is not racist or anti-racist - i.e., racialist - it is ideological.

The Left and its media has "weaponized" race for its own unprincipled ends and millions of innocents (and ignorant dupes) of any race who initially went along out of sympathy and some innocent desire for social justice are being trapped in the deeper undercurrents. I think it must be stressed that the Left, as it has become, are today's biggest pragmatists. Of course none can see individuals, they perceive the power of masses and "demographics"; they are determinists, majoritarians and collectivists.  In effect, "Since we know the greater and growing ethnicities, religion and nationalities are black, brown, Chinese, Muslims, than they are whom we must kow-tow to".

Those (always conservative) American blacks whom we hear pridefully refuse 'the victimhood narrative" thrust on them - as well as Muslim reformists, usually bravely outspoken females - have been loathed, rejected and ignored by the Left and the MSM - which goes to prove this point. Not race, but the ideology of force of numbers. 

The white tribe and Christians are on the slide, numerically, and can be safely silenced and condemned for their original sins: their contributions in the gradual making of a civilization and the original Western values of reason and liberal rights.

From which base their foes can launch attacks on them, horrendously, ironically and hypocritically. In confusion, without intellectual certainty, moderate minority groups can put up no resistance and humbly accept their own guilt.

The ultimate fantasy which the New Left dream of is some sort of Marxist, global paradise, is all I can imagine.

The battle is ideological.

Are those who 'perceive' the illusion of the power of masses and "demographics" individuals, or do they fantasize of the position they view themselves within the group they conjure up in their own minds?

Outspoken individuals do not remain 'unseen', and those who are loathed, rejected and ignored have to extend beyond the particulars you identified in this proclamation.

The fight for the right and the struggle for moral perfection mutually redound off one another. Add to this the discovery of intellectual certainty provides the basis for shrugging off unearned guilt.

The Marxist global paradise would seem akin to the kingdom of God, a jelly like substance that dissolves under a proper process of identification.

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2 hours ago, dream_weaver said:

The fight for the right and the struggle for moral perfection mutually redound off one another. Add to this the discovery of intellectual certainty provides the basis for shrugging off unearned guilt.

The Marxist global paradise would seem akin to the kingdom of God, a jelly like substance that dissolves under a proper process of identification.

I endorse what you have written, especially the last. Very good. Full circle the secularists have turned, back to another "the kingdom of God". There is the same religious fervor and moral sanctimony, from the Left this time. The mystics of muscle and the mystics of spirit have only superficial differences. In reality, as many stand today, I prefer the latter's far better grasp of reality and values. They must only leave our bodies alone.

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