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I watched a few minutes of Obama's speech and couldn't stomach anymore. It was obviously a campaign speech. He was pretending to be pro American and to have supported our efforts in the middle east al

I don't see why. Guy killed a bunch of innocent people because he was crazy/consistently religious (which are basically the same thing). He despised Western civilization as such, and everything that c

Sorry it took so long to respond. Having said that, I don't think what I'm saying is that complicated. You said Islam was a total state ideology. I disputed that by pointing out that not all p

It makes sense to get rid of the body. The U.S. government was clearly not going to do something like throwing him to dogs or hanging his body from a bridge while people tear at it. So, keeping the body would have meant weeks and months, if not years of discussion about the body...with all sorts of complications: some people insisting that he should not be buried in their state, relative saying that he should be returned to Saudi Arabia, and all sorts. Essentially, keeping the body would put Obama in a situation where he would have to make a decision about its disposal where every option had a political-cost. Given that context, he did the sensible thing by getting rid of it fast, before debate and discussion, and by doing so where it was simply gone.

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Hell yeah! It's about time we got the bastard. Justice has been done. Though the war isn't over, we'll be sending the right message to our enemies for once.

Though it's pretty darned convenient that we got him in nearly mid-2011. Just in time for elections?

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What do you mean "just in time" for elections? Unless I've had a serious Rip Van Winkle attack, they are more than a year and a half away!

If delaying to help the elections is in fact the motivation here, why not wait until August-October of 2012? Having it happen now gives the electorate too much time to forget about it before stepping into the voting booth. (There is a reason for the term "October surprise.")

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It makes sense to get rid of the body. The U.S. government was clearly not going to do something like throwing him to dogs or hanging his body from a bridge while people tear at it. So, keeping the body would have meant weeks and months, if not years of discussion about the body...with all sorts of complications: some people insisting that he should not be buried in their state, relative saying that he should be returned to Saudi Arabia, and all sorts. Essentially, keeping the body would put Obama in a situation where he would have to make a decision about its disposal where every option had a political-cost. Given that context, he did the sensible thing by getting rid of it fast, before debate and discussion, and by doing so where it was simply gone.

Yes, not to mention the fact that you wouldn't want his grave to become a shrine that the Jihaddi jerk-offs would come to visit.

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Is that .gif of Obama kicking a door real? I mean, just the images? Why the hell would he kick a door so childishly?

I wondered the same thing, since it seemed so out of character for him to do in any scenario, so I Googled it:

http://youtu.be/S0Tfu27Bz2w

Thanks, (first result searching with) Google, you are da bomb.

EDIT: Oh, and happy that the bin Laden scum sack is dead. Reading his bio on abcnews.com was, well, not condemning, as it should have been, but also disgust-inducing.

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Reports say that a woman resident of the house was killed during the firefight when someone used her a human shield. I wonder if it was Bin Laden.

Not surprising, the animals. But even so, there were no innocent civilians in that house. Anyone inside got what they had coming to them.

Its especially sweet justice if the woman helped to shield Bin Laden from what he had coming, only to literally become a shield when the bullets start flying.

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I personally think its very sad that we "buried" him at sea. He should have been placed on display at the WTC. At least put his head on a pike or something, it's not like he doesn't deserve it (somewhat joking). His body should have been displayed, both to eliminate conspiracy rumors and to piss off his friends. If only it had been 9 years ago, it would have sent a stronger message. Now its more like "well you were going to get him eventually, I mean come on". Oh well, least he's dead, and he got shot in the face by Navy SEALs rather than of old age or a drone attack.

You've gotta think that that SEAL must be pretty pumped right now. Seriously, that's gotta be the most important kill in decades.

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I just saw a post by The Objective Standard blog:

from here http://blog.aynrandcenter.org/killing-of-bin-laden-an-act-of-justice/

The killing of Bin Laden is a tremendous act of justice — for the victims of 9/11, for all Americans. An overdue act of justice, but a necessary and expertly conducted one nonetheless. In the last 12 hours, on lots of radio interviews, I’ve been asked: “Can we now bury the ‘war on terror’?”

No. Although Bin Laden was the the most recognized face of Islamist terrorism, al Qaeda is one, relatively recent, faction within a larger ideological-political cause: the Islamic totalitarian movement.

It was essential that we capture or kill Bin Laden, in the name of justice, but that step alone cannot put an end to the movement.

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"Telling kids about Bin Laden's death" By Sasha Emmons, May 2, 2011

"Since last night's unexpected announcement that terrorist Osama bin Laden had been killed, many parents are grappling with how to talk to their kids about this huge news story.

Young children, most born after the horrible events of September 11, may hear bits and pieces at school even if parents took care to keep the morning news turned off. How do you explain the contradiction that it's wrong to hurt someone, but in this case the president said it was justified?" [bold mine]

How to explain it? For starters, embrace reason (junking religion along with its ethics), individual rights and freedom (capitalism).

To Osama bin Laden:

Adios MoFo!

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I can't believe they dumped the body at sea to conform to Islamic tradition. This is going to fuel conspiracy theories.

Regardless of what we did with the carcass, someone would find a way to be offended. Seems like finding excuses to be outraged is 90% of what religion is all about. As far as I am concerned, his body was treated much too nicely considering the number of deaths this man is responsible for, so the clerics+scholars can go suck a fat one. Many who died on 911 weren't afforded a honorable burial either!

Osama Bin Laden Dead: Muslim Scholars Call Al Qaeda Leader's Sea Burial 'Humiliating"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/02/osama-bin-laden-sea-burial-muslim-scholars_n_856315.html?ref=fb&src=sp#sb=1621445,b=facebook

Also relevant:

WikiLeaks: Osama bin Laden killed after tip-offs from Guantanamo

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/8488436/WikiLeaks-Osama-bin-Laden-killed-after-tip-offs-from-Guantanamo.html

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.627b7372f3acc13c7f531216bc315790.5c1&show_article=1

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"WikiLeaks: Osama bin Laden killed after tip-offs from Guantanamo" By Tim Ross, 02 May 2011

"The mastermind of the 9/11 attacks, who was interrogated using “torture” techniques, gave the United States the breakthrough that resulted in the killing of Osama bin Laden."

"The killing of the world’s most wanted man as a direct result of information obtained from Guantanamo detainees such as KSM will reignite the debate over whether torture is a legitimate interrogation technique in the "war on terror". Both KSM and al-Libi were subjected to harsh techniques during their interrogations in CIA prisons.

Amnesty International has already warned that the killing of bin Laden must not be used as evidence that torture is “justifiable”."

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"Bin Laden's Gone, But We Still Have Obama" by Michael J. Hurd, Ph.D

'"Bin Laden was not a Muslim leader." So says President Obama.'

"Barack Obama learned nothing from 9/11. Both before and since, people like him maintain that Islam is a "religion of peace." Anything people do in the name of Islam -- terrorize, murder themselves and/or others -- has nothing to do with Islam, according to Islam’s apologists. The President of the United States, a nation who is one of the greatest victims of Islam’s brutal wrath, is one of the chief apologists for Islam today."

"Some insipid interviewer on Fox News asked the father of a victim of the World Trade Center what he thought and felt in the wake of bin Laden's death. The interviewer commented that it might be considered "sick" to be glad over his death. The father promptly replied that it was not sick, and he was indeed glad to learn of bin Laden's death.

The father is right, of course. But the comment of the interviewer represents the kind of attitude and psychology that is bringing this country down -- on a "conservative" and supposedly more hawkish network, no less. The attitude is that it's somehow wrong to hate your killers, and to hate the actions of your killers. If this is true, then by what right did we authorize our military and CIA to kill bin Laden in the first place?"

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Lies from Muslims begin:

"American Muslims celebrate bin Laden's death":

"We are very happy to hear the news that he has been eliminated," said Osama Siblani, publisher of the Arab American News.

"This man is not a Muslim. This man has killed more Muslims than Americans - tens of thousands of people," Siblani told AFP.

"People are very excited that this happened because they want this sad chapter to be closed. They understand more than anyone else how much damage this man has done to the Muslim world and to the Arab world."

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"Bin Laden's death also won't be enough to eliminate the Islamophobia and paranoia which has infected the United States and led to an erosion of civil liberties, Walid said."

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Good article in the Mail Online, lots of nice shot of people celebrating. That being said, the comments by the Brits after the article are telling. Apparently, we are displaying boorishness by our joy at the death of this monster. Of course, they would never stoop to such public displays of emotion. And, of course, we have only made things worse. :huh:

WTF happened to the Brits? Did socialism and PC remove their spines? :confused:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1382652/Osama-Bin-Laden-killed-America-celebrates-death-Al-Qaeda-leader.html

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