whYNOT Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 13 minutes ago, Doug Morris said: ... defending mask wearing, social distancing, and handwashing... Voluntarily? From individual choice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Morris Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 1 minute ago, whYNOT said: Voluntarily? From individual choice? At least that, including the choices of owners and managers of stores and other properties. If government mandates mask-wearing or social distancing, this is far less destructive than a lockdown, and may be justified in some cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whYNOT Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Jon Letendre said: All the physical aggression came from the side that intentionally ruined millions of lives with a scam. Intentionally, viciously and cynically, I agree. Coronavirus played into their hands, a gift from god. The scam part is very doubtful (not altogether impossible). If you mean a China-linked conspiracy...? Edited December 4, 2020 by whYNOT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whYNOT Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Doug Morris said: At least that, including the choices of owners and managers of stores and other properties. If government mandates mask-wearing or social distancing, this is far less destructive than a lockdown, and may be justified in some cases. But that's a quibble over the meaning and actuality of lock down. It is inclusive of all those partial elements. NONE, the whole or parts thereof, should have been "mandated" by gvt. And yeah, I go to your place or business, I mask up, etc.. You come to mine, you are not required (unless I am pretty old and/or in poor health and so choose). . Edited December 4, 2020 by whYNOT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Letendre Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 (edited) The cold-causing viruses, that we have always had with us and will always have with us, stimulate our immune system and are an inextricable part of human life. They are not ton-and-a-half masses impacting at 100 mph. Mass home detentions, mask edicts, distancing edicts, guest count limit edicts, etc., are all blatant violations of basic rights, without any justification. —>Thedelicate can always stay home<— Therefore, those are massive, blatant violations of basic individual rights. The little bastards have not really even yet scientifically identified their so-called “novel covid-19 coronavirus.” The Great Scamdemic of 2020. Edited December 4, 2020 by Jon Letendre William Scott Scherk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Morris Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 It is not a quibble. The distinction between lockdowns and the other measures is important, even if some people obscured this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Morris Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 9 minutes ago, whYNOT said: 30 minutes ago, Jon Letendre said: All the physical aggression came from the side that intentionally ruined millions of lives with a scam. Intentionally, viciously and cynically, I agree. Coronavirus played into their hands, a gift from god. Let's not forget that our real enemy is bad ideas, not bad people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Morris Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 Even people who are not delicate in any identifiable way can die from Covid-19 or suffer other drastic effects from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dream_weaver Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 39 minutes ago, Doug Morris said: That's good for many purposes, but when there is a possibility of people inadvertently committing physical aggression, it gets more complicated. Inadvertently committing physical aggression? I'm not making that leap. Can you provide a better bridge of understanding for this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Letendre Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Doug Morris said: Let's not forget that our real enemy is bad ideas, not bad people. I don’t agree with that at all. And in this case the aggression was committed by particularly evil people, Cuomo and other Dem Govs, who are soon going to pay a heavy price for their murder, attempted coup and treason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whYNOT Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Doug Morris said: Let's not forget that our real enemy is bad ideas, not bad people. Good one. But like a virus, how are the bad ideas transmitted? From and to people, no? Except that a virus infection in a person is accidental; People don't have - and carry out - bad ideas into action, accidentally nor innocently. They understand what they do and the effects. Edited December 4, 2020 by whYNOT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Morris Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 1 minute ago, dream_weaver said: nadvertently committing physical aggression? I'm not making that leap. Can you provide a better bridge of understanding for this? Someone who is a carrier, but does not have symptoms and has not paid enough attention to the danger, can easily inadvertently commit physical aggression. Someone who has a lapse while driving can easily inadvertently commit physical aggression. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whYNOT Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Doug Morris said: It is not a quibble. The distinction between lockdowns and the other measures is important, even if some people obscured this. Repeat: nothing must be mandated by Gvt's. Your body, your life, your choices. Edited December 4, 2020 by whYNOT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Morris Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 People who have bad ideas usually don't realize it. In our current society, it is very easy for people to have bad ideas because they don't know any better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Morris Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, whYNOT said: Repeat: nothing must be mandated by Gvt's. Your body, your life, your choices. Too simplistic. Government is entitled to mandate that I not recklessly endanger people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dream_weaver Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, Doug Morris said: Someone who is a carrier, but does not have symptoms and has not paid enough attention to the danger, can easily inadvertently commit physical aggression. Someone who has a lapse while driving can easily inadvertently commit physical aggression. A lapse in driving can result in negligent homicide, vehicular manslaughter yes, just to name two. Someone who has contracted CoViD-19 may not have symptoms. I can't equate inadvertently committing physical aggression with this. In a vehicle, there are several cognizant, prerequisite activities that need to be engaged prior to the avoidable damages that are inflicted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whYNOT Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 8 minutes ago, Doug Morris said: Someone who has a lapse while driving can easily inadvertently commit physical aggression. Simple. If you believe there are people who have lapses or might act deliberately to infect you, spend the next year in quarantine, or masked or whatever. Your choice. Until you get vaccinated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Morris Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 Dream_weaver, would you prefer unknowingly rather than inadvertently? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Morris Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, whYNOT said: Simple. If you believe there are people who have lapses or might act deliberately to infect you, spend the next year in quarantine, or masked or whatever. Your choice. Until you get vaccinated. 4 minutes ago, whYNOT said: 15 minutes ago, Doug Morris said: Someone who has a lapse while driving can easily inadvertently commit physical aggression. Simple. If you believe there are people who have lapses or might act deliberately to infect you, spend the next year in quarantine, or masked or whatever. Your choice. Until you get vaccinated. If I believe someone in a car might wittingly or unwittingly aggress against me, should I avoid streets, roads, and vehicles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whYNOT Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Doug Morris said: Too simplistic. Government is entitled to mandate that I not recklessly endanger people. Can you keep this one thing uppermost. We are talking about a virus, one with not much more severity than I and many people have had often. We recovered, without a Nanny State to protect us. We didn't know mostly even who'd infected us, or whom we passed it on to. Nor, thankfully, that some unfortunate person way down the line died of it, due to his pre-existing condition. The state has never mandated against transmitting the common flu, and must not start now. Despite this childish era we are in. Edited December 4, 2020 by whYNOT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Morris Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 This virus seems to be deadlier and more contagious than the common flu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whYNOT Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 (edited) Okay. We've come full circle, then you protect yourself, by choice. As our mothers told us, don't go walking onto the road! Edited December 4, 2020 by whYNOT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eiuol Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 3 hours ago, whYNOT said: That is the weakest link in my over all argument. The post I was responding to had to do with scientists. I was criticizing that. Doesn't mean I ignored anything. I've said many times that the threat is exaggerated. But the antiscience attitude is pretty bad (distrusting on widescale how research is done based on misunderstandings of how science is done). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dream_weaver Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 (edited) 57 minutes ago, Doug Morris said: Dream_weaver, would you prefer unknowingly rather than inadvertently? It is the physical aggression I am taking umbrage with. It is equivocating a force of nature with the initiation of physical force by an individual. Edited December 4, 2020 by dream_weaver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Morris Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 42 minutes ago, dream_weaver said: It is equivocating a force of nature with the initiation of physical force by an individual. Spreading disease can be the action of an individual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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