tadmjones Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 1 hour ago, AlexL said: Do the moderators, the owners @dream_weaver @DavidVhave something to say to this? On the grounds that 'semitic' people includes populations not exclusively Jewish ? Or on the grounds that the statement itself is antisemitic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexL Posted January 14 Author Report Share Posted January 14 25 minutes ago, tadmjones said: On the grounds that 'semitic' people includes populations not exclusively Jewish ? Or on the grounds that the statement itself is antisemitic? On whatever grounds they will find relevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tadmjones Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 9 minutes ago, AlexL said: On whatever grounds they will find relevant. What would you consider to be relevant to that post specifically that it needs the attention of the moderators/owners? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexL Posted January 14 Author Report Share Posted January 14 (edited) 16 minutes ago, tadmjones said: What would you consider to be relevant to that post specifically that it needs the attention of the moderators/owners? I let them determine if and what they would considered relevant. But I don't really believe that there will be a reaction: OO seems to be fully on autopilot... @DavidV @dream_weaver Edited January 14 by AlexL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tadmjones Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 (edited) But why do you consider a reaction (?) is warranted? At this point I assume you consider it anti Jewish, and that that 'fact' is intuitively obvious to the casual observer and a reputable site, presumably O'ist or not , should not allow their good name sullied by an obvious offense to decency. Edited January 14 by tadmjones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexL Posted January 14 Author Report Share Posted January 14 2 hours ago, tadmjones said: But why do you consider a reaction (?) is warranted? I'll let them decide this. Quote At this point I assume [...] You may assume whatever you wish. tadmjones 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grames Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 10 hours ago, AlexL said: Do the moderators, the owners @dream_weaver @DavidVhave something to say to this? Someday, in a month or so, I'll make a thread about religion and title it "Critical Semite Theory". Then we'll find out some things. dream_weaver 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whYNOT Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 (edited) For a long while I'd hear most people claim to be against Zionism/existence of Israel, (and having ignorance of any background) while claiming they have nothing against and/or like Jews. Continuing mob actions around the West, in the free, civilized capitals, reveal their lies and hypocrisy. They loathed both. (Those selfish Jews have escaped from us to the safety of a strong homeland). View their pleasure now that its invincible image has been compromised. Here is an old monster out in the open. If Israel is to be disallowed its moral right of self-defense, the physical basis of the individual right to "freedom of action", so already it is disallowed to the world's Jews. So will be everybody else. I hear conservatives alone who can see and call this new iteration of Jew-hatred, Islamo-Marxism, for what it is - evil. "Israel" was the earliest symptom of the disease, not the cause of it. Coming to a place near you. https://www.jpost.com/opinion/article-782166 Edited January 15 by whYNOT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Letendre Posted January 22 Report Share Posted January 22 EU foreign policy chief Josep Borrell said on Friday that Israel had financed the creation of Palestinian militant group Hamas, publicly contradicting Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu who has denied such allegations. EU's Borrell says Israel financed creation of Gaza rulers Hamas | Reuters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whYNOT Posted January 22 Report Share Posted January 22 (edited) A change of government, from Netanyahu's "far-right", would a) shorten the war and b) facilitate the "two-state solution"? Nothing is further from the truth. A left government would hardly do anything less in Gaza. Too, Israelis all know that first Hamas must be comprehensively beaten, and, afterward, the 2-state is far away, after a major ideological mindset change. Not because of Israel, which avidly wanted peaceful relations with surrounding states, it's the Palestinians who never wanted a solution, but the PA will pretend to play along for now to entrench power. The ignorance of these experts touting the formula that failed many times - only because of Palestinian "rejectionism". Allowing the PA to govern Gaza will be a repeat of recent events, when terrorists take over again, every Israeli kid knows this. The decisions should be left to Israel to decide and implement and Borrell, Biden and Blinken back off. https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/20323/biden-threatens-netanyahu-drive Edited January 22 by whYNOT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whYNOT Posted January 23 Report Share Posted January 23 (edited) 4 hours ago, Jon Letendre said: EU foreign policy chief Josep Borrell said on Friday that Israel had financed the creation of Palestinian militant group Hamas, publicly contradicting Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu who has denied such allegations. EU's Borrell says Israel financed creation of Gaza rulers Hamas | Reuters Old news, Jon. There was admitted by Israelis that Israel had a hand in placing Hamas - before it showed its true colors - in Gaza to be the political opponent to the more secular PA. No one thought they could win. Why did he bring this up now? Would Borrell have us believe B.N. 1). "had it coming" by his assistance in creating Hamas - or 2). a Grand Master Plan was set in motion by Israel which 'knew" Hamas would violently and electorally overturn Fatah, and knew it would become a terror group that vowed to annihilate Israel, and 'knew' it would keep attacking and provoking many conflicts --until the last and most savage? Therefore, now Israel can justify going in, defeating Hamas, ethnical - cleansing the population and annexing Gaza for its expansionist aims...? A conspiracist fantasy. The conspiracy propaganda against Israel, 'blaming the victim', has been widespread. And Borrell fresh from his mishandling of the Ukraine war is not too bright, I gather. Edited January 23 by whYNOT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpookyKitty Posted January 23 Report Share Posted January 23 Israel is a country whose leaders are either A) So incredibly stupid, short sighted, dementia brained, and insane that they would fund a radical Islamist group to overthrow a secular government and then act surprised when the Islamist group does Islamist things or b) So evil that they did all that on purpose. Jon Letendre 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whYNOT Posted January 23 Report Share Posted January 23 This by a "Muslim Arab" and regular correspondent. Tawil - and other silent Muslim Arabs - know what nobody in the West wants to know (evades): the Palestinians (for now) cannot be trusted to have self-rule. https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/20325/palestinian-leaders-terrorism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whYNOT Posted January 23 Report Share Posted January 23 10 hours ago, SpookyKitty said: Israel is a country whose leaders are either A) So incredibly stupid, short sighted, dementia brained, and insane that they would fund a radical Islamist group to overthrow a secular government and then act surprised when the Islamist group does Islamist things or b) So evil that they did all that on purpose. Confirming exactly what I posited. "You deserved it; alternately, you planned it". no other options. Very much the conventional narrative, but useful to hear confirmed. All in denial of the fact that the 'heroic freedom fighters' many side with might be monsters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexL Posted January 23 Author Report Share Posted January 23 14 hours ago, whYNOT said: Israel had a hand in placing Hamas... in Gaza "Placing"? Is this the exact wording of your understanding of the facts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whYNOT Posted January 23 Report Share Posted January 23 Refreshing Objectivist conversation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whYNOT Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 (edited) On 1/23/2024 at 4:53 PM, AlexL said: "Placing"? Is this the exact wording of your understanding of the facts? Aiding, sponsoring, encouraging? Placing was imprecise. There was then as now a reasonable argument for fresh political opposition to the PA. A one-party system will become autocratic-dictatorial, and for sure Israel intended to play one off against the other. But I find no malicious intent. Hamas presented themselves to be a tamer organization to begin with, it appears. The neo-mystics and consequentialists will accuse or belittle the Israel Govt. for promoting Hamas (unknowing of its later character), so "deserving" what occurred. If not also for planning for Hamas to brutally attack, which is pretty sick. (it is a small, very tight society, and for all their differences, the bulk of Israelis are unified in esteem for their country and lives, and insist on loudly arguing with each other and constantly criticizing their Gvt. So the logistical magnitude of an Oct 7 "conspiracy" involving many people of all positions, indisputably would have been very shortlived, publicly exposed and condemned. Edited January 24 by whYNOT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexL Posted January 24 Author Report Share Posted January 24 5 minutes ago, whYNOT said: Aiding, sponsoring, encouraging? Placing was imprecise. Placing was precise, but did not correspond to reality. The alternatives are better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpookyKitty Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 Some humor: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SpookyKitty Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 ICJ Interim ruling: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whYNOT Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 (edited) Israel's critics hoped there would be an order to end the war and withdraw the IDF. https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-783874 A PR victory, a pro forma rap on the knuckles. I venture the judges are awake to the repetitive, plain-as-day Hamas strategy a) incite the war and the inevitable IDF backlash b) which, in those difficult conditions, predictably brings about many civilian deaths (real/fabricated) and the misery of displaced Gazans c) the reliable international outcry would have Israel censured and ordered to withdraw. d) Hamas survives to do it again. A terror gang gains recognition from the Hague... In the mean time, the pathetic SA Govt is celebrating international attention for its upstanding moral stance, and no doubt, the several million dollars donated to ANC's private coffers from Qatar. Edited January 27 by whYNOT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Pokyt Posted February 7 Report Share Posted February 7 (edited) On 1/22/2024 at 8:55 PM, SpookyKitty said: Israel is a country whose leaders are either A) So incredibly stupid, short sighted, dementia brained, and insane that they would fund a radical Islamist group to overthrow a secular government and then act surprised when the Islamist group does Islamist things or b) So evil that they did all that on purpose. One thing that's interesting to me about online political discourse is how conspiracy theory nonsense like this is parroted to the point that it becomes an incontrovertible forgone conclusion in the minds of most people. Simply calling the PLO "a secular government" without expanding on that is a lie by omission, or you're just gravely misinformed about the history of this conflict. The PLO was hijacking planes and engaging in general terroristy action just as much as Hamas is currently. The organizations which were the predecessors to Hamas were initially focused on stuff like charities and education, for which Israel provided funding and licenses to operate as providers of social services. The Islamist groups at the time did not openly harbor violent intentions towards Israel like the PLO did, and were even willing to work with the Israeli government in the pursuit of providing social services. This was obviously all revealed to be a smokescreen by the 1980s as the peaceful Islamist groups had started using their influence to spread a much more militant mindset, which was the catalyst for a series of events that lead up to the First Intifada. Regardless, it was simply Israeli's optimism about the honesty of Islamist groups that lead to the situation we have today. They didn't want to be at war, and they were swindled by wolves in sheep's clothing in an attempt to stop it. I'm skipping over a large number of details here because I'm not your history teacher, and it's really on you for not knowing this stuff in the first place. At the moment, you're not even justified in having any sort of opinion on the present conflict considering you needed to have this explained to you. I would recommend you get off Twitter and read some basic history of Israel and Palestine before commenting again. Just to clarify, it's your fault that your opinion is dumb and you should feel bad about your dumb opinion because it sucks. Thanks for reading! Edited February 7 by Pokyt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexL Posted February 7 Author Report Share Posted February 7 19 minutes ago, Pokyt said: conspiratorial nonsense like this is parroted to the point that it becomes an incontrovertible forgone conclusion in the minds of most people [...] Really good post👍👍👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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